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中国有全世界最密集的高速公路和高铁，全国范围内包邮很正常。

看来你对  "全国" 这个词可能有误解
不是指"全部国家"，
而是 "中国全境"

不太确定谁不理解，但让我告诉你另一个淘宝骗子活动：购买2件。对于W5500模块，购买时显示的金额为¥32，之后（如上所示）此金额为¥34。

你在中国有消费者保护组织吗？我可以抱怨。我对淘宝和中国航运服务非常不满意？

这个可以找taobao官网，‘’全国‘’的解释权在谁，这肯定是中国境内。也许解释权在你手上，那可以要求taobao免单
16+18=34，这个是有点促销手段，首件优惠2.00，人家订单写的很清楚了

这个是正常的，楼上已经说了，首件优惠

我不认为正常，首先显示的价格为32元人民币，之后为34元人民币。但根据你的回答，我得出的结论是，我根本不应该与中国打交道。许多中国人都是对交易行为，法律等有非常不了解的骗子。

如果你的意思是我的笔记本电脑 -  IBM在中国人收购联想并制造劣质产品之前，这是一个很好的品牌。
你知道如果中国是动物坏的危险地方，那么应该将它们放在笼子里。在世界上的某些地方，中国人必须缴纳人头税......也许这些做法应该归还。

@smartcar，你是一个非常傲慢的人，但我也认为我真的在这个论坛上浪费时间，同时继续浪费我与中国骗子打交道的时间。

@晕哥，请删除我的帐户我不想与中国有任何关系，也不与任何中国事务有任何关联。

@jimmy, 中国文化 - 如何欺骗，撒谎......不，谢谢，不需要学习这样的文化。我对中国人有足够的宽容，但中国人想要的是更多钱，卖掉他们的假冒和垃圾产品。不用了，谢谢。

@晕哥，等待我的帐户被删除。

我今天尝试用shipforwarder.com解决问题。关于他们声称PayPal撤回资金，以下是PayPal的回复：

In relations to these two payments, I can confirm that we have not withdrawn any of these payments, and no money has been refunded. To prevent problems with merchants shipping from China, please make sure to properly review the website and investigate what country they ship from.

不好意思，但上面的产品被这家骗子中国公司封锁了。

不幸的是，我试图找到另一家航运公司似乎不成功。我目前遇到与Yoybuy.com类似的问题。他们在实际确定包装重量之前需要钱。

dgtg, And how I misunderstood that the shown total amount 32 CNY becomes later 34 CNY ? This is not the only problem with Taobao.

Also those postage forwarding companies – quite of crooks and liars.

Have one question, I asked someone before to ship to me some items from China, he had quite of problems. In fact, in the past there were many that would agree to ship outside of China, currently no one agrees. In China shipping abroad products is reserved just for some people and companies ? In Europe, to the best of my understanding some Chinese pay to the corrupted law enforcement officials bribes they to operate. Common practice in China ?

最近编辑记录 Mitko (2019-03-26 17:40:19)

@smartcar, this is a problem associate particularly with the ship-forwarding companies. So far I tried 3 companies – all crooks and liars. Twice lost the items I purchased … they extorted me to pay for something that suppose to be free etc.

The latest, I have in a Beijing warehouse packages that weight about 14.300 kg. This crook company called YOYbuy established that after packing the total weight of the package is 19 kg. Almost 5 kg – packaging materials !!! Also they want money in advance …

From some of the post and behavior of the forum, I do understand that some Chinese think that they can do crook activities, involved with such unethical business practices and we the dumb Eastern Europeans have to pay you ?

I inquired many times the Chinese government, even the Chinese police they did nothing about the issues.

Although China has 1.3B people, the whole world is much bigger and would like to assure you that proper measures can be taken against China.

@gui401, This company continues to lie and when I raised the case with PayPal they locked the account …  Sorry, but measures will be taken.

Of course, there is no denying that some platforms bring convenience to people. At the same time, there are some unexpected sales methods that may bring you losses.

当然不否认，某些平台给人带来便捷额同时，存在一些预料之外的销售手段，可能给你带来损失。

When we buy things, we basically don't make this mistake. Maybe it is because of the d language inconvenience, which has brought you loss and inconvenience, but we have an old saying called "eat a meal, grow a wisdom." I hope you can learn a lesson.
我们购买东西的时候，基本上不会犯这种错误。也许是由于语言不通，给你带来了损失和不便，但是我们有一句老话叫做"吃一埑，长一智。"希望你能够吸取教训。
For me, I also cannot understand the language. The English part comes from Google Translate, which may make you misunderstand.
对于我，我也是语言不通，英文部分来源于Google翻译，也许会让你误解意思。

美国人拿着印的废纸来中国买东西，那不叫骗，那是明抢。

@SmallJu,

Your comment is insulting.
I requested multiple times, my account to be closed. Unfortunately, the site administrators are not willing to close it.
As about Chinese, not perspective language. I’m terminating all my dealings with China.
P.S. Saw the project you published – go get some engineering training.

网站管理员关不关你的账户和你有什么关系？？？你不来不就行了？？还一直在这发帖，没完没了。

@savebox, It is, but what is poorer: Got a message today from the ship-forwarding company, they continue to attempt tricks …

@迪卡, Not so sure what is the reason 晕哥, not to want to close the account. There is some misunderstanding, he thinks I am a teacher at some university, which I am not … I do not have much deeper knowledge about the Chinese culture … In India, it has been said that if a story doesn’t end well, it has not finished yet. How about China ?

@netwp, When I studied Chinese, I had a dispute with one of the teachers about the meaning of white tiger in Chinese. I probably do not have to explain what its commonly referred in China, but it does have other meanings too ...

Some friend of mine shared this topic so I registered a new account for some clarifications.
You felt deceived because you can't read Chinese. That's fine. If you don't want to admit it, that's also, fine.
This is usually the point where you should either look for other sellers, with or without visiting taobao.
However, you found this forum, used google translate just to say "you Chinese people are all liars", THAT'S where this problem becomes a problem.
You clearly shouldn't do that.
Please, change a point of view.
Yes, many of us Chinese want to make money, a lot of them, and a lot among them trick, and even deceive others to achieve this. There are historical reasons (around 100 years from today?) why this happen. So don't be aggressive, for you are not spectating the game. You are a gamer with only limited sight.
btw, you should use aliexpress instead of taobao in this case. Taobao is a Chinese-oriented market.

@KfAnr,

Is this available the web sites you mention:

Note: Hi3516EV200 SDK is only in Chinese, waiting for response from HiSilicon if they will provide English version etc.

The package that is currently held by YoYBuy has 23 Taobao purchases with probably more than 200 articles etc.

Already sent request to admin@whycan.cn for account deletion. Might I ask you to sent e-mail to admin@whycan.cn presenting your dissatisfaction. Hope this matter will be resolved as soon as possible. It took me more than 2 months to make all orders etc.

P.S. What is the meaning of KfAnr ?

@KfAnr , Actually, it seems you might have a better use of this board than me. It was provided to me from zhenfanhei for free. Assume he would not have anything against if it is given to you. Schematic:  hq_050ips_v02.pdf

If you are interested I will arrange the shipping to you.

Aliexpress services are horrible. The last time I made an order from Aliexpress I waited about 2 months to receive the products etc.

@ KfAnr,
My problems with YoYBuy (https://www.yoybuy.com) continue. This is crook and lying company that should be investigated by the Chinese authorities. Since you claim that the Chinese are not liars, which Chinese authority – police, consumer bureau … can investigate the activities of this company and take appropriate actions ?

@ 晕哥, I really would like this account deleted.

@hzqlz,

I am not much knowledgeable about Buddhism, but on Internet what I found:

Buddhists have to make themselves aware of the damage they do to the environment so that they can then act to change it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t China is one of the biggest world environmental polluter ?

The name Mitko is a short form of Dimitar. It is rooted in the Greek goddess Earth mother Demeter, who is rooted in the ancient goddess Earth Mother. The short form Mitko is used just by friends.

There is currently global warming, trading and other types of issues with China ... I do not consider China my friend, neither there is any trend in direction of improving the situation.

There are laws: engineering, trading … since you continue to demand that those laws should not be followed, the environment issues … not considered, I would like the account to be deleted.

楼主言语之间一直存在种族歧视，叫别人删号删帖的行为纯属是‘脱裤子放屁’，像你这种人，跟你讲道理便东扯西扯，骂～你又说素质低下，实际上，素质最低的便是你。中国人以和为贵，你却屡屡挑事，简直是败类。

最近编辑记录 LinjieGuo (2020-01-05 10:14:23)

嗯, 我们中国人都有种族主义,不欢迎任何 "白色"和"黑色" 洋垃圾进入中国, 这个答案您满意吗?

@ 好想做个有钱人, No, the question is about achieving mutual respect, avoiding conflicts etc.

@ 路人乙, Chinese companies want access to European, North American … etc. markets. If you can not provide the same level of reciprocal access and investment protection, such can not be provided to your companies. As much as I am aware some Europeans want access to the Chinese market, establishing European banks in China, our shipping companies etc.
Also the problem with the Chinese crook businesses, such as ship-forwarding companies. In the past even 晕哥 tired to speak with one of them without success. In Europe we have tools to deal with such companies – government agencies, consumer protection organizations etc.

@Freeboy , We do, probably as percentage of population much more than China. I noticed on the TV the previous year a case about some Chinese tourist that were subject to robbery in Bulgaria. The Chinese were very well organized with excellent defense techniques and immediately neutralized the thief. Still, the police came and investigated the matter.

So far my experience in China is: If I can use metaphoric presentation – I was robed twice in China, but no proper actions were taken.

Speaking about such issues, the parcel contains a smart door lock:

Anyone used such ?

这老外有点意思，，，，，，这年头淘宝也不好做了哦，

演技担当黄晓明, The Google translate makes the translation from Chinese to English not understandable.

小智, As stated earlier – the meaning of “get out and fuck off” is insulting. Please do not use it. There is no such thing like Народна република България – People’s Republic of Bulgaria. This name was used during the communism but currently Bulgaria is a member of the European Union etc.

I wold like to thank you to all of you for your comments. Establishing that some of the Chinese products might not be suitable for the Bulgarian market etc.

既然你承认了是google翻译的问题，请你向中国道歉，向中国人民道歉，是你先侮辱我们的，诬陷我们诚实的卖家是骗子，所以在你道歉前，我是不会收回那句话的

Since you admit that it was the mistake of Google translation, please apologize to China and the Chinese people. You insulted us first and framed our honest seller as a liar. So before you apologize, I will not take back that sentence

你自己脑子不好使，却说别人是骗子
You're stupid, but you call people liars

最近编辑记录 小智 (2020-01-06 17:12:10)

那你不要和中国人做生意，也别和中国人交流，别用中国制造的东西，保加利亚那点gdp，还不如我们的一个省那么多，我们不需要和你这种人做生意
Then don't do business with the Chinese, don't communicate with the Chinese, don't use the things made in China, Bulgaria's GDP is not as much as our province, we don't need to do business with people like you
全世界人民都在用中国制造，有更多的人喜欢我们，

People all over the world are using Chinese products. More people like us,

get out and fuck off

最近编辑记录 小智 (2020-01-06 17:41:06)

我挺尊重保加利亚人民的，不过碰上这个保加利亚人，让我对保加利亚的印象大大折扣了，严重怀疑保加利亚人的智商了，我说的是不如呀，比肯定是比不上啦

这个有点意思，第一次听说保加利亚。

My latest purchases from China turns out to be a horrible experience. Not only I was required to pay more for shipping … The latest, the package was returned twice by China customs:

2020-01-22 11:10
北京市, 退回妥投

2020-01-22 09:42
北京市, 【上地区域东三旗揽投部】安排投递，投递员：马五兵，电话：18519362604

2020-01-22 01:07
北京市, 离开【北京国际天竺处理中心】，下一站【北京新顺处理中心】

2020-01-22 00:02
北京市, 进口海关放行

2020-01-13 08:39
北京市, 退回妥投

2020-01-13 08:39
北京市, 【安定门区域金宝街】安排投递，投递员：马晓香，电话：18519363799

2020-01-13 06:35
北京市, 离开【新顺中心】，下一站【安定门区域金宝街】

Do you have in China government, organizations … I can submit a complain to ?

@cityf, Quite agree. Still, there is this package that is held in China. It has items that I paid for: 3204.27 CNY. In addition, I paid about 150 USD shipping fess . Please refund my money !

图片下面的troll是招人反感的意思。我觉得他就是说某人或者某些人招人反感，惹人讨厌。

troll这个词很流行，特指杠精，喷子

继续加油，争取突破100楼:cool

@OggyJFX, Apparently some of the Chinese are. I received the package after 2 months of delay. I had financial loses, replacement and substitute items were purchased from other places etc. And the ship-forwarding company demands payment. In China haven’t you heard about COMPENSATIONS ... ?
Everyone wants to hear just good things, but the Chinese ship-forwarding companies services are horrible. I had to inquire various authorities regarding this matter, spending much time and resources etc.

@Blueskull, From my observations, what I read on the media … currently the biggest trolls are the Chinese. Paying bribes to European authorities, making fake comments on Internet to promote Chinese products and services, protests etc. Please also note that the image is from a popular film. Quite doubt that the Copyright was complied with ?

....

@Blueskull, It seems you do not have understanding what troll means, probably you should read more before using foreign words:
Troll - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll
Internet troll - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

….

As about the complains, currently the ship-forwarding company – YoyBuy demands money … In general, many Chinese do not understand it, but depending on the jurisdiction - if goods, products not delivered on time - no money.

By the way, what is the situation with the corona virus, disinfecting packages purchased from TaoBao ... ? I was reading the Chinese government started to disinfect the money in China.

部分中国人行为不好，就天天说中国人都是骗子？难道你们国家就没有罪犯？你们国家就不用警察？
说中国的物流差？全世界，除了中国，哪个国家的物流能做到：一个件，6块钱人民币的运费，从广州到北京，星期一发货，星期三就到客户手里。
再说了，你买的那个模块，一个W5500加一块印制板，你是三岁小孩子吗？十几块钱人民币的东西，跨越四分之一个地球来买，运费比商品的费用都高得多。

每日一看，欣赏保加利亚的Mitko的丑态，恕我直言,会让人认为保加利亚是个连非洲小国都不如的国家。再教你一个词，SB！

这个行为，应该就是“杠精”吧？

来啊，大家一起来啊，杠杠更健康。

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