Shipping problems … continue

Mitko · 2020-04-03 18:54:57

In various topics, I described the issues that I was experienced with the Chinese ship-forwarding companies. As was mentioned, I withheld one of the payments to YoyBuy (https://www.yoybuy.com) due to various problems, but they continue to demand I to pay them. I also registered a new account with Shipforwarder (https://www.shipforwarder.com/), but they raised the shipping prices. Bellow are the prices for shipping 1 kg. to Bulgaria.

YoyBuy:
YoyBuy

Shipforwarder:

In my opinion, it looks expensive. Can anyone recommend other options ?

Mitko · 2020-04-03 20:10:53

kekemuyu 说：

what did you buy?

You mean in the past or currently ?

In the past: semiconductors, components, PCBs., motors, 3D printer parts, various welding accessories, IP camera modules etc.

Currently, I have not purchased anything yet. I was thing about ordering some PCBs, again semiconductors, capacitors, resistors, probably some PCBs. I was also considering getting one Kendryte K210 EVB and few modules. In your opinion, which option is better: Widora’s BITK210, Sipeed MAIX Dock K210, Allwinner R329, other MCU/SoC with AI ? I spoke lately with Allwinner about R329. I will not be available for at least 3 months.

Mitko · 2020-04-03 21:05:09

k455619 说：

为什么不在保加利亚买？

Bulgaria does not manufacture AI chips, yet. The PCBs that I can order in China cost about 4 USD/10 pcs. in Bulgaria, the cheapest offer I had for PCBs is 33 USD/10 pcs. On the other hand I can order a PCB panel let say with 4-5 prototype PCBs for around 20 USD. As an alternative to the Chinese AI chips, I can probably use STM32H750, there is also some other European AI chip manufacturers. Still is expensive in Bulgaria. For example, the price for STM32H750 @ 10 pcs. is 40 CNY, in China - 20 CNY ?

You know what most of the Bulgarians/Europeans do – purchase products from China, double or triple the price and look we have a great economy in Europe …

Mitko · 2020-04-04 04:48:10

kekemuyu 说：

you can try to order pcbs at https://jlcpcb.com/,this company is famous about making pcbs

I use: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=9379760689
PCBs
20 CNY for 10 pcs. (2 layer, max 100x100 mm) and they give me some small bonuses.

Blueskull 说：

Maybe contact a friend at Olimex?

I do not get along with Olimex. Some years ago I was telling them to developed a cheap Linux board, when the CHIP board was announced:
Chip
They got angry at me and responded that they where not going to developed single core Linux board, since the 4-core SoCs were cheaper. The price of 9 USD was impossible to maintain etc. But in your opinion do the international customers care whatever Olimex wants, since they can purchase sub-10 USD Linux board, like Orange Pi, Lichee Pi Nano, Zero ? Can anyone state how many single-core Linux boards with Allwinner F1C100S, V3S … were sold since 2015 ?

OggyJFX 说：

...

In my opinion, it is not much about infrastructure, rather than US protectionism demands. They push China to raise the postage and shipping fees, so the US products can be competitive. The only thing is that US and Europe are technologically failing much behind China and they can not offer such products. You know what is funny, the European Union invested billions of Euros (tax payers money) in Artificial Intelligence and Europe has no major players on the global market. There was one very perspective Romanian company called Movidius. To the best of my understanding the European Union gave them hundred of millions in grants for developing new technologies. And the company was sold to Intel. Intel did noting, but developed some computational stick. I’m currently waiting for respond from one French company, called GreenWaves Technologies (https://greenwaves-technologies.com/), they manufacture GAP8/9 - IoT application processors. One of the problems is that it has small internal memory. It is expandable via HyperBus. Do you know what is the price just of a memory chip with HyperBus ?
GAP8

As about the fakes and low quality products on TaoBao. I had quite few such experiences.
Recently purchased some SPP-C modules:
SPP-C
They were intended for communication with smartphones. But some communication errors were appearing. I had quite a quarrel with the Android software developer, he was demanding that the modules are fake and providing unstable communication. The dispute got so heated, huge insults … at the end, the forum administrators deleted the topic … and I throw on the garbage the boards … So much time, money lost for developing, preparation … Well I do not think that Beken (http://www.bekencorp.com/) BLE products are so bad, but I was considering to order some Nordic Semiconductor (https://www.nordicsemi.com/) BLE boards too. By the way is there Beken IC fakes ?

In the past many TaoBao stores were willing to ship to Europe directly, currently no one is willing to ship directly.

Mitko · 2020-04-05 04:42:30

@OggyJFX,

In my opinion, you should not look just at the numbers … In many cases, it is all fake. I worked in one country for some years – the amount of money big, at the end … nothing, just losses … everything expensive … those are the models that the currently many governments are trying to implement. Building infrastructure, providing sociality … and the end the living conditions get worse, while certain people associated to governments get richer ... What I hear from other people, in China similar stuff ? Someone complained that more than 80% of his product price was transportation fees …

Regarding the virus, the current Bulgarian government is doing something … well what to tell you ? Many Bulgarians think that since there is democracy they can do whatever they want, do not comply with laws, rules … But, from what I understand, initially the Chinese government cover the cases … Presume Johnson and Trump are doing whatever they can. Do you have understanding how greedy some of the people are in those societies ? Many care just about money and what they want. They do not care that their actions can bring damages … I have currently one case, near the appartament where I live in Bulgaria, someone is building another housing block. It is very close and in my opinion does not comply with building standards. So, I had a complain. The Bulgarian police asked me to go for discussion of the cases. At some point referred that in their opinion, I was no-one and the price of my life was nothing in comparison to the money this investor was putting in this building. And this was the position of the Bulgarian police. In your opinion, should I care if those pricks get infected by the virus etc. ?

Mitko · 2020-04-08 23:11:43

I am sorry, but really do not understand what you are trying to prove. The facts show something different.

For example, recently I ordered some ICs (30 pcs - MT3608 丝印B6289 SOT23-6 5V/1.2A 移动电源专用芯片), the Shipforwarder company claims their weight is 40 g., presenting the picture:

I got s similar bag and put some similar items, just to see what the weight might be: 4g.:
4g. package

Shipforwarder claims that the items weight is 40 g. while the actual weight (probably around 4g.) is much less.

Mitko · 2020-04-09 16:22:08

OggyJFX 说：

一切都很好，大家都很幸福。

Not so sure what is fine and who is happy with your Chinese stuff and practices ..., you can take a look at the following articles:

- Anti-Asian hate continues to spread online amid COVID-19 pandemic (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/anti-asian-hate-continues-spread-online-covid-19-pandemic-200405063015286.html)
- British 5G towers are being set on fire because of coronavirus conspiracy theories (https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/4/21207927/5g-towers-burning-uk-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-link)
- Coronavirus: Countries reject Chinese-made equipment (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52092395)
- MPs launch inquiry into potential Chinese asset stripping of UK firms (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/08/mps-launch-inquiry-into-potential-chinese-asset-stripping-of-uk-firms)
...

Mitko · 2020-04-19 01:09:08

微凉VeiLiang 说：

这是要笑死我然后继承我的花呗账单？

If you have to pay just for shipping 30 USD/kg would you still find it laughable ?

The latest Shipforwarder price for shipping 1 kg package to Bulgaria:

Mitko · 2020-05-06 19:30:56

The latest Chinese “invention” in shipping:

Shipforwarder

The copyright issues are quite important. I’ve seen on this site software with cracks etc. Shouldn't the site administrators delete such posts ?
Also why don’t you use free compilers/IDEs like GCC, Segger Embedded Studio, Eclipse … ?

Mitko · 2020-05-29 17:21:22

The Chinese greediness is endless. Not only the shipping cost were raised, different fees introduced, but the lattes: The earlier advertised PCB manufacturer, raised the price, for 2 model PCB – 20 CNY/10 pcs., for 4 model – 120 CNY.

PCBs China

Mitko · 2020-05-29 18:28:39

Blueskull 说：

If you need something from them, they have the advantage on price setting.
If you don't know what (raw) capitalism is, I suggest you to look it up on Wikipedia.

I really highly recommend you not to play further on my nerve. Presume you follow the Huawei case … Additional measures can be taken against China and Chinese companies and people.

Mitko · 2020-06-01 15:00:01

Blueskull 说：

Lol. Who the F do you think you are? Oh, just another partially evolved white trash with stinky armpits..

In UK for example people loose their jobs … for such comments … Unfortunately, in China as well as the moderators of this web site seems not to take proper measures regarding the previous as well as current insults, harassment etc.

I currently wondering which would be more effective, to demand from the European authorities this web site to be ban in Europe, North America or take more drastic measures ?

Mitko · 2020-06-01 19:29:46

@Blueskull, Don’t you understand what huge JOKE you are …

@ SITE ADMINISTRATORS: I DEMAND MY ACCOUNT TO BE DELETED ! I ALREADY REPORTED THIS WEB SITE TO THE POLICE. CONTINUING TO ALLOW INSULTING ... MESSAGES, PUBLISH CRACK AND PIRATED SOFTWARE WILL RESULT ADDITIONAL ACTIONS !

Mitko · 2020-11-09 16:24:58

Blueskull 说：

Let's see what your puny little police friends can do to us.

You have a point, the European police is not so good ...

xm1994 说：

@站长抓紧把这傻子封了吧，这就是个脑残

Your comment translates to: @站长, hurry up and seal this fool, this is a brain-dead

I find the Chinese are more stupid people, as about the dead, look what your virus is causing in Denmark:

Minkst

Denmark to cull up to 17 million mink amid coronavirus fears: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54818615

Mitko · 2021-01-09 15:48:33

redstar 说：

你是特朗普转世吧，这锅甩得阔以噢
如果嘴炮可以治疗你们欧洲就好了。

Despite politics for more restrictions, nothing in common.

Some Chinese are crooks and dishonest people. The last package from Shipforwarder was returned to them and currently they even do not respond to inquiry where the package is.

The Europeans are very stupid people, making an investment deal with China …

smartcar 说：

嘴炮一时爽，一直嘴炮一直爽

No benefits … just problems and losses …

Mitko · 2021-01-09 16:05:23

路人甲说：

两次世界大战都站错对跟了德国，后面又反水跟苏联，再反水认美国爹，一个蕞尔小国的阿猫阿狗不配在这里高谈阔论。

You have no proper understanding about history … Sure, not worth dealing with thieves and crooks … the issues with my money that were paid for stuff that were not delivered remains …

Mitko · 2021-01-09 17:43:19

Blueskull 说：

Let's see what this wonderful gentleman who should be tossed into Hillary's basket of deplorables is capable of other than raging and making a good laugh for the rest of us.

The last time I checked the Huawei equipment will be removed from the UK telecoms. If you intend to get the same result within Europe … continue in the same direction.

Mitko · 2021-01-10 22:01:32

mwin 说：

每一次都你见说运费的事,付不起运费就不要买就行了.

The package had one PCB I spent quite of time … to develop – PumpkinPi … apparently will have to look for other solutions …

PumpkinPi

Mitko · 2021-01-11 00:21:36

流氓兔说：

这是你的github吗? https://github.com/martinwoodward/PumpkinPi
你是 PumpkinPi 的作者吗?

No, that is some other project, seems based on RaspberryPi.

saub 说：

your mother call you home to eat excrement!go with you now!

Thanks for the reminder. You know in Europe, … Bulgaria there are quite few Chinese restaurants. In many cases they do not comply with the local health requirements and are subject to various penalties. I usually do not eat at such places, the last time my relatives brought food from a Chinese restaurant, it was so hot, the plastic box was melting into the food … so, actually the Chinese are provide bad and unhealthy food. The mater with the Chinese in Europe …, their activities apparently needs to be further evaluated.

Mitko · 2021-01-11 16:17:06

马前卒说：

不好好建设自己的国家和欧洲，把所有的锅都扣在咱们头上，就服你们这些双标白皮，国际驰名双标。
我估计是货运公司的疏忽，发现一个名不见经传的地方突然有订单，于是不想亏本，提高了报价，然后楼主一顿抱怨之后就是“种族”，“病毒", 我草！

If you have so negative views about Europeans, why did you agree on a deal with EU:

EU and China reach agreement in principle on investment: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2541

The EU and China have today concluded in principle the negotiations for a Comprehensive Agreement on Investment (CAI). This deal follows a call between Chinese President Xi Jinping and European Commission President von der Leyen ….
……...
China has committed to a greater level of market access for EU investors than ever before, including some new important market openings. China is also making commitments to ensure fair treatment for EU companies so they can compete on a better level playing field in China
……...
In the sectors covered, European business will gain certainty and predictability for their operations as China will no longer be able to prohibit access or introduce new discriminatory practices.
………

Mitko · 2021-01-12 18:00:27

Angmall 说：

Why is shipping from China so expensive?

I do have other views: apparently some companies got “exclusive” rights to ship abroad and there are problems …

I should also mention the fact that the package in dispute was not received.

For anyone that purchase anything from China – you might may pay for something, pay expensive shipping via DHL Express …. and receive nothing. The Chinese government does nothing about the raised issues etc.

Dealing with China is just loss of money, time, resources … to mention not the insults etc.

Mitko · 2021-01-13 15:54:02

Blueskull 说：

We care about getting the things done, the quickest and cheapest way.

You are not aware about the practices, fees … of those companies like DHL Express, for example the fees for receiving a package:

- Obtaining a Bulgarian custom number – 12 EUR
- Bank insurance for transit of a package in Bulgaria – 2 % of customs fees, minimum 10 EUR
- Transit of a package in Bulgaria - 2 % of customs fees, minimum 12 EUR
- Filing a customs declaration – for more than 4 articles – 5 EUR per 3 articles. For example, if a package has 200 articles – just the fee for filing customs declaration is above 320 EUR.
- Payment of customs taxes – 10 EUR
- Storage fee – 5 EUR/day + 0.1 EUR/kg
….

and those fees do not include VAT (+20 %) … On the top of this DHL Express demands – original Chinese invoices with wet stamp. In your opinion, how many seller on Taobao issue such ?

Blueskull 说：

... bitching here

Since the Chinese government does nothing about the raised issues, what one can do ? Do you know that certain services of the Chinese government are restricted just for Chinese citizens. For example, filing a report to the Chinese police requires a Chinese ID number …

In Bulgaria we had one businessmen, a billionaire, currently resides in UAE. His nickname is like yours – the Skull. His main business was gambling – casinos, lotteries … The rumors say, that some members of the Bulgarian government demanded to pay them – 25M EUR. Apparently he refused and they pressed him to sell his business … based on the media info, he also refused, so the authorities started to investigate his businesses. The latest publicly released info, is that his companies were not paying taxes – more that 250M EUR for 5 years …

Mitko · 2021-02-23 02:08:57

dso_2019 说：

英语都这么好，看你们写的很费劲，要百度翻译才行

测试百度翻译。

我最近遇到的中国产品的问题是，购买了1W激光模块，工作了12-13个小时，然后就停了。我从其他论坛上了解到的情况对于中国激光模块来说非常普遍。

Laser

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=594984044926

Mitko · 2022-12-17 18:53:25

For some time, I had no serious issues with shipping products out of China. BLDC motors were in general problematic … However recently the export issues started again. Have one package it was returned multiple times. Is this currently common in China ?

2022-12-11 14:38 北京市, 退回妥投
2022-12-11 08:19 北京市, 【北京市昌平区东三旗揽投部】安排投递，投递员：张为明，电话：18519364409，揽投部电话：010-61724048
2022-12-11 07:13 北京市, 到达【北京市昌平区东三旗揽投部】
2022-12-11 04:55 北京市, 离开【北京新顺处理中心】，下一站【北京市昌平区东三旗揽投部】
2022-12-10 14:01 北京市, 进口海关放行
2022-12-10 08:39 北京市, 送交进口海关
2022-12-09 18:55 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】退回，备注：安检退回
2022-12-08 22:25 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2022-12-08 11:08 北京市, 退回
2022-12-08 02:28 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2022-12-08 01:09 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2022-12-07 22:06 北京市, 到达【北京航邮航站运输车间】
2022-12-07 20:14 北京市, 离开【上地电商营销中心】，下一站【北京】
2022-12-07 15:06 北京市, 【上地电商营销中心】已收寄，揽投员：郑立阶，电话：18519364404

Mitko · 2023-01-03 16:00:22

I really do not understand what is going on with the Chinese postal service. The package was returned again:

Destination - Sync Time: 2023-01-03 08:46:21 (GMT+02:00)
2022-12-26 05:40 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Send item abroad (EDI-received)
2022-12-23 15:20 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Insert item into bag (Otb) and Send item abroad
2022-12-23 12:51 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Receive item at office of exchange (Otb)
2022-12-21 14:45 CHINA, 300000, Receive item from customer (Otb)

Origin - Sync Time: 2023-01-03 09:53:03 (GMT+02:00)
2023-01-03 14:48 天津市, 退回妥投
2023-01-03 14:47 天津市, 【天津市和平区天大揽投部】安排投递，投递员：程磊，电话：18222747903，揽投部电话：13752258420
2023-01-01 08:32 天津市, 到达【天津市和平区天大揽投部】
2023-01-01 06:22 天津市, 离开【天津邮件处理中心】，下一站【天津市和平区天大揽投部】
2022-12-31 13:14 天津市, 进口海关放行
2022-12-31 08:42 天津市, 送交进口海关
2022-12-29 11:01 天津市, 到达【天津邮件处理中心】
2022-12-28 16:25 北京市, 离开【北京航邮航站运输车间】，下一站【天津邮件处理中心】（经转）
2022-12-26 19:04 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】退回，备注：退回
2022-12-25 20:30 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2022-12-25 16:23 北京市, 退回
2022-12-25 10:36 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2022-12-23 15:20 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2022-12-23 04:17 北京市, 到达【北京航邮航站运输车间】（经转）
2022-12-22 23:28 天津市, 离开【天津邮件处理中心】，下一站【北京航邮航站运输车间】
2022-12-22 14:32 天津市, 到达【天津市国际互换局】
2022-12-22 13:10 天津市, 出口海关/放行
2022-12-21 16:26 天津市, 离开【天津市和平区天大揽投部】，下一站【天津市】
2022-12-21 14:45 天津市, 【天津市和平区天大揽投部】已收寄，揽投员：程磊，电话：18222747903

Mitko · 2023-01-06 01:58:15

Taobao is really getting worse. The latest – transaction fee and they charged me in USD.

Taobao USD

By the way I will really appreciate if someone can share the FPGA firmware for Hantek 6254BC oscilloscope. One topic on EEVblog - Hantek6074BC-hack to 250MHz, states that the boards of 6074BC and 6254BC are the same, just the FPGA firmware is different.

Mitko · 2023-01-16 17:57:54

@gjc2010gys

What I undershorts is that many Chinese are crooks and liars. Currently, I have 2 packages waiting to be shipped. For the first, it has been more than 2 months, since I paid and it is not shipped yet. It has been returned few times, no clear reason. Many of the Chinese products are low quality, counterfeit products . No proper documentation and support. Every time, I begin to deal with China and Chinese products – only problems.

Mitko · 2023-01-17 20:22:03

@IOsetting

My current problems are associated with shipping. The last package that seems to be returned:

2023-01-17 15:24 北京市, 退回
2023-01-17 04:06 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2023-01-17 01:15 北京市, 离开【北京望京国际互换局】，下一站【北京航空邮件国际交换站】
2023-01-17 00:28 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2023-01-16 20:54 北京市, 到达【北京航邮航站运输车间】

Otherwise the shipping company has strange pictures:

YoyBuy

Have you ever checked the prices on Aliexpress ? The price of some items is 2x, 3x … higher. For example just look for Sipeed 荔枝糖 Lichee Tang Nano1K 极简 FPGA 开发板直插面包板 - ¥42.00 on Taobao, ¥98.00 on Aliexpress etc.

Mitko · 2023-01-18 14:50:02

@gjc2010gys

Agree, there are crooks everywhere. But China does nothing about it. I contacted multiple times the Chinese authorities, they did nothing. Currently as mentioned have issues with shipping, the shipping company Yoybuy.com, has not deliver for months some packages and just marked one of them as delivered. This is a not correct activity. In general, China is damaging its reputations and very soon, no one will like to deal with China at all. There are substitute products from other manufacturers etc.

Mitko · 2023-01-20 13:05:57

@gjc2010gys

Currently China customs is returning the packages without clear reason. In my opinion, probably they have lots of corrupted officials waiting for bribes. Apparently Chinese selling to other countries via other sites, have no problems sending goods abroad.

Many of the product on the European market are Chinese made. Just the prices of most of them are few times higher.

@农夫三拳

你是对的，我买了很多不该买的东西。这将会改变。至于其他问题，你应该先批评自己，再批评别人。中国对维吾尔族穆斯林的剥削情况如何？

Mitko · 2023-01-20 15:59:08

@哇酷小二

这是为什么？因为像华为、海康威视这样的公司……免费使用强迫劳动。我不希望欧洲也有中国公司和产品。他们仍然贿赂政府官员，给慈善机构捐款等等。你知道什么是中国文化吗？可怕。最近在中国有一个电视节目。一个俄罗斯人从电视剧开始就想退出，但中国人违背他的意愿把他留到了节目结束。让人们做一些违背他们意愿的事情并不是积极的事情。

至于白皮肤。我理解你的立场，所有中国人都是黄帝后裔。但你不认为这种对其他人的歧视实际上是中国人的问题吗？

Mitko · 2023-01-20 20:14:05

@哇酷小二

很不幸全世界都有像你这样的人。你不是在寻找解决问题的方法，而是在侮辱。在中国有值得关注的产品，比如乐鑫、WCH等的产品。但是欧洲和北美的许多开发人员拒绝与他们合作。直到现在我都支持中国产品，这肯定会改变。另外，淘宝whycan.cn店铺的产品价格不菲。还有其他商店价格更低且免费送货。

Mitko · 2023-02-06 19:23:51

My package was returned again. Could you please instead of posting stupid comments on other web sites contact China customs and ask them my packages to be exported from China.

Destination - Sync Time: 2023-02-06 10:34:12 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-06 05:40 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Send item abroad (EDI-received)
2023-02-03 23:24 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Insert item into bag (Otb) and Send item abroad
2023-02-03 23:08 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Receive item at office of exchange (Otb)
2023-02-03 15:46 CHINA, 102209, Receive item from customer (Otb)

Origin - Sync Time: 2023-02-06 10:34:09 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-06 08:49 北京市, 进口海关放行
2023-02-06 08:17 北京市, 送交进口海关
2023-02-05 18:33 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】退回，备注：安检退回
2023-02-05 10:50 北京市, 离开【北京航空邮件国际交换站】，下一站【北京望京国际互换局】
2023-02-04 21:06 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2023-02-04 17:24 北京市, 退回
2023-02-04 01:54 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2023-02-03 23:24 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2023-02-03 20:28 北京市, 到达【北京航邮航站运输车间】
2023-02-03 20:19 北京市, 离开【上地电商营销中心】，下一站【北京】
2023-02-03 15:46 北京市, 【上地电商营销中心】已收寄，揽投员：孟超，电话：13910264320

Mitko · 2023-02-07 17:49:26

The response I received from China customs:

您好：
您在中国海关门户网站业务咨询栏目提交的关于中国海关不断退回我的包裹的问题，现回复如下：
您的留言已收阅，请将该问题提交网站业务咨询栏目处理，或请拨打12360海关服务热线，那里将有专门人员为您解答或处理。

It is interesting why the Chinese authorities – China customs, China Ministry of foreign affairs have no proper contact information: email etc.

So, US shoot down the Chinese 'spy balloon' … If you want a war you will get one.

Mitko · 2023-02-11 21:10:43

@gjc2010gys, 感谢您的链接和建议。我无法打电话给中国海关，因为我不会说中文。我在向中国海关投诉时也遇到了问题，因为他们需要在中国的电话号码和地址。但我的包裹又被退回了：

EMS courier. Tracing Number: EV031050934CN

Destination - Sync Time: 2023-02-11 13:11:15 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-11 05:40 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Send item abroad (EDI-received)
2023-02-10 01:23 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Insert item into bag (Otb) and Send item abroad
2023-02-09 23:55 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Receive item at office of exchange (Otb)
2023-02-09 15:24 CHINA, 102209, Receive item from customer (Otb)

Origin - Sync Time: 2023-02-11 13:11:13 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-11 18:40 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】退回，备注：退回
2023-02-11 10:30 北京市, 离开【北京航空邮件国际交换站】，下一站【北京望京国际互换局】
2023-02-10 21:09 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2023-02-10 14:27 北京市, 退回
2023-02-10 03:14 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2023-02-10 01:23 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2023-02-09 21:58 北京市, 到达【北京航邮航站运输车间】
2023-02-09 20:21 北京市, 离开【上地电商营销中心】，下一站【北京】
2023-02-09 15:24 北京市, 【上地电商营销中心】已收寄，揽投员：孟超，电话：13910264320

Mitko · 2023-02-13 21:45:25

@gjc2010gys

该软件包没有任何问题。主要是电子产品 – 电阻器、电容器、集成电路、一些 FPGA、SoC – Allwinner T113、电路板......还有一些3D打印机部件 - 车轮，轴承以及他们可能认为有问题的东西 - 很少有步进电机。但是这些电机的磁铁非常小，我真的怀疑它们是否会带来任何安全问题。事实上，几个月前，我购买了相对较小的 BLDC 电机——运输公司拒绝发货。我不得不退回并从速卖通购买。

Mitko · 2023-02-14 20:25:40

@double33 无意侮辱你，但你的评论只是表明中国有些人没有受过教育。我真的怀疑这个网站是一个公共资源。它由某些个人拥有。如果我错了，请纠正我。如果您不喜欢，请不要阅读这些主题。

最近编辑记录 Mitko (2023-02-14 21:07:11)

Mitko · 2023-02-14 23:08:59

@gjc2010gys 以下列表没有步进或 BLDC 电机，出口此类项目应该不是问题。一些淘宝卖家过去曾经向国外发货。但目前没有人同意。这不是快递公司的问题，而不是一些误导的中国海关政策。联邦快递，DHL是极其昂贵的公司，因此使用中国产品值得怀疑。例如。我以 123.39 美元的价格购买了 Hantek 6074BC 示波器，如果我必须支付 100-200 美元的运费，我可以在欧洲购买使用泰克 4 通道 TDS224 的价格，价格约为 220 美元。集成电路也是如此。USB 3.0接口CH569的成本约为5.40美元，FTDI FT60xQ-B – 8.40美元。考虑到我在大约 4 个月前支付了第一个包裹，但仍然没有收到，我真的怀疑是否会从中国订购任何东西。

Mitko · 2023-02-16 14:10:23

包裹再次退回。它有 2 个标准 Nema17 电机，覆盖有金属。它们不能提供任何电磁干扰，到处都有销售。这是中国人的一些愚蠢行为。

EV031233420CN

Destination - Sync Time: 2023-02-16 07:53:47 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-17 05:40 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Send item abroad (EDI-received)
2023-02-15 00:02 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Insert item into bag (Otb) and Send item abroad
2023-02-14 23:39 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Receive item at office of exchange (Otb)
2023-02-14 15:33 CHINA, 102209, Receive item from customer (Otb)

Origin - Sync Time: 2023-02-16 07:53:45 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-15 22:05 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2023-02-15 15:14 北京市, 退回
2023-02-15 02:39 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2023-02-15 01:37 北京市, 离开【北京望京国际互换局】，下一站【北京航空邮件国际交换站】
2023-02-15 00:02 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2023-02-14 20:23 北京市, 到达【北京航邮航站运输车间】
2023-02-14 20:07 北京市, 离开【上地电商营销中心】，下一站【北京】
2023-02-14 15:33 北京市, 【上地电商营销中心】已收寄，揽投员：孟超，电话：13910264320

Nema17a Nema17a

Mitko · 2023-02-17 13:47:52

@mysteryli

我与DigiKey等一些美国分销商有问题。他们宣传免税送货到保加利亚，但当包裹到达时，运输公司 UPS 会收取费用和税款。我不得不说，来自美国的包裹到达得更快。组件价格较高，但考虑到在中国我支付许多交易，运输和海关费用，它变得相对相同。我已经在中国购买的一些由中国公司制造的组件，如Anlogic FPGA，Allwinner产品等将没有用处，这是损失。

@bigbigcong

你是对的。不幸的是，从中国运输产品的问题来自多年。我已经联系了多个欧洲和中国当局 - 没有采取适当的措施。事实上，在欧洲，有人说，这是保护美国企业的唯一途径。但是中美关系我应该关心什么呢？我每次购买都要向淘宝支付3%的交易费，除此之外，最近淘宝将交易货币改为美元，所以我也必须支付货币汇率。包裹延迟了几个月，在某些情况下甚至没有收到......争吵，不得不说我与中国的交往即将结束。

Mitko · 2023-02-28 00:30:48

Returned … again

EV031589220CN

Destination - Sync Time: 2023-02-27 18:24:30 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-27 05:40 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Send item abroad (EDI-received)
2023-02-26 00:29 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Insert item into bag (Otb) and Send item abroad
2023-02-25 23:44 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Receive item at office of exchange (Otb)
2023-02-25 19:50 CHINA, 100032, Receive item from customer (Otb)

Origin - Sync Time: 2023-02-27 18:24:28 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-27 20:21 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】退回，备注：安检退回
2023-02-27 12:35 北京市, 离开【北京航空邮件国际交换站】，下一站【北京望京国际互换局】
2023-02-26 21:22 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2023-02-26 16:56 北京市, 退回
2023-02-26 02:22 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2023-02-26 00:29 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2023-02-25 22:15 北京市, 到达【北京新顺处理中心】
2023-02-25 20:29 北京市, 离开【安定门商企中心】，下一站【北京】
2023-02-25 19:50 北京市, 【安定门商企中心】已收寄，揽投员：李春霞
2023-02-25 19:50 北京市, 【安定门商企中心】已收寄，揽投员：李春霞

Mitko · 2023-03-07 15:48:55

After nearly 6 months I have received one package. Sorry to say, but some components were damaged, other missing. The Taobao sellers did not agree on refund or to compensate me, since lots of time has passed. All purchases become extremely expensive, some were not need it anymore. For example, a damaged stepper motor (deformed shaft) presented bellow cost in China ¥11.80. However when I payed all the fees, taxes, transportation ... the prices raised more than 3 times to ¥37.34. Absolutely horrible experience.

Motor

最近编辑记录 Mitko (2023-03-07 16:32:52)

Mitko · 2023-03-13 23:05:09

Returned … again

EV032380835CN

Destination - Sync Time: 2023-03-13 15:44:48 (GMT+02:00)
2023-03-13 05:40 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Send item abroad (EDI-received)
2023-03-11 23:52 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Insert item into bag (Otb) and Send item abroad
2023-03-11 23:32 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Receive item at office of exchange (Otb)
2023-03-11 19:16 CHINA, 100032, Receive item from customer (Otb)

Origin - Sync Time: 2023-03-13 15:44:45 (GMT+02:00)
2023-03-13 13:54 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】退回，备注：安检退回
2023-03-12 23:06 北京市, 离开【北京航空邮件国际交换站】，下一站【北京望京国际互换局】
2023-03-12 21:47 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2023-03-12 15:18 北京市, 退回
2023-03-12 03:08 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2023-03-11 23:52 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2023-03-11 22:08 北京市, 到达【北京新顺处理中心】
2023-03-11 20:29 北京市, 离开【安定门商企中心】，下一站【北京】
2023-03-11 19:16 北京市, 【安定门商企中心】已收寄，揽投员：李春霞

Mitko · 2023-03-22 15:57:55

我今天收到了我的一个包裹。产品重量为70克，运输公司使用了一个重量为83克的盒子。盒子内部似乎有没有用的部件，只是增加了重量。请注意，最初 YoyBuy 希望将这些产品与一盒总重量 - 350 克一起运送。

问题是我告诉这家公司很多次不要使用这么重的盒子，但他们仍在继续。运往欧洲真的非常昂贵。

Products

Box

Mitko · 2023-03-22 17:23:00

@Timaker

你是谁来决定欢迎或不欢迎某人的地方？解决运输公司的问题，直到那时关于这些问题的帖子将继续。

WhyCan Forum(哇酷开发者社区)

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