Shipping problems … continue

Mitko · 2020-04-03 18:54:57

In various topics, I described the issues that I was experienced with the Chinese ship-forwarding companies. As was mentioned, I withheld one of the payments to YoyBuy (https://www.yoybuy.com) due to various problems, but they continue to demand I to pay them. I also registered a new account with Shipforwarder (https://www.shipforwarder.com/), but they raised the shipping prices. Bellow are the prices for shipping 1 kg. to Bulgaria.

YoyBuy:
YoyBuy

Shipforwarder:

In my opinion, it looks expensive. Can anyone recommend other options ?

kekemuyu · 2020-04-03 19:27:36

what did you buy?

Mitko · 2020-04-03 20:10:53

kekemuyu 说：

what did you buy?

You mean in the past or currently ?

In the past: semiconductors, components, PCBs., motors, 3D printer parts, various welding accessories, IP camera modules etc.

Currently, I have not purchased anything yet. I was thing about ordering some PCBs, again semiconductors, capacitors, resistors, probably some PCBs. I was also considering getting one Kendryte K210 EVB and few modules. In your opinion, which option is better: Widora’s BITK210, Sipeed MAIX Dock K210, Allwinner R329, other MCU/SoC with AI ? I spoke lately with Allwinner about R329. I will not be available for at least 3 months.

k455619 · 2020-04-03 20:37:25

为什么不在保加利亚买？

Mitko · 2020-04-03 21:05:09

k455619 说：

为什么不在保加利亚买？

Bulgaria does not manufacture AI chips, yet. The PCBs that I can order in China cost about 4 USD/10 pcs. in Bulgaria, the cheapest offer I had for PCBs is 33 USD/10 pcs. On the other hand I can order a PCB panel let say with 4-5 prototype PCBs for around 20 USD. As an alternative to the Chinese AI chips, I can probably use STM32H750, there is also some other European AI chip manufacturers. Still is expensive in Bulgaria. For example, the price for STM32H750 @ 10 pcs. is 40 CNY, in China - 20 CNY ?

You know what most of the Bulgarians/Europeans do – purchase products from China, double or triple the price and look we have a great economy in Europe …

kekemuyu · 2020-04-03 21:16:32

Mitko 说：

You mean in the past or currently ?
In the past: semiconductors, components, PCBs., motors, 3D printer parts, various welding accessories, IP camera modules etc.
Currently, I have not purchased anything yet. I was thing about ordering some PCBs, again semiconductors, capacitors, resistors, probably some PCBs. I was also considering getting one Kendryte K210 EVB and few modules. In your opinion, which option is better: Widora’s BITK210, Sipeed MAIX Dock K210, Allwinner R329, other MCU/SoC with AI ? I spoke lately with Allwinner about R329. I will not be available for at least 3 months.

you can try to order pcbs at https://jlcpcb.com/,this company is famous about making pcbs in chnia and other counties.
semiconductors，you can try at taobao.com.
ai modules,k210 chip is nice. all this things you can get at taobao.

Blueskull · 2020-04-03 23:08:19

Mitko 说：

Bulgaria does not manufacture AI chips, yet.

Maybe contact a friend at Olimex? If your project has some open source potential, I can't see they not being interested.

OggyJFX · 2020-04-03 23:33:11

Mitko 说：

Bulgaria does not manufacture AI chips, yet. The PCBs that I can order in China cost about 4 USD/10 pcs. in Bulgaria, the cheapest offer I had for PCBs is 33 USD/10 pcs. On the other hand I can order a PCB panel let say with 4-5 prototype PCBs for around 20 USD. As an alternative to the Chinese AI chips, I can probably use STM32H750, there is also some other European AI chip manufacturers. Still is expensive in Bulgaria. For example, the price for STM32H750 @ 10 pcs. is 40 CNY, in China - 20 CNY ?
You know what most of the Bulgarians/Europeans do – purchase products from China, double or triple the price and look we have a great economy in Europe …

这就是所谓的产业链的问题。其实大概十年前，中国的电商行业还没有这么发达的时候，在中国的某些省份，买电子无器件，也很麻烦，和你们现在的处境是一样的。当电商行业迅速发展起来以后，整个商业就活跃起来了。这一点，说真心话，中国政府在基建方面的投资（比如高速公路、铁路、机场建设这些方面）起了很大促进作用。我的老家是中国的西部山区省份，基建成本非常高，政府为了解决交通问题，最近这十几年，投入了大量的资金，这个，可能你们的媒体从来不会报道，所以你们不了解。
另外，如果你对淘宝上面的商品，不能很好的辨别的话，尽量不要在淘宝上面买，因为淘宝上面，确实有很多同样的物品，价格会比其它地方便宜很多，很有可能是假货，你容易被骗。这个不是和你抬杠，我自己有时候都弄不清淘宝上面哪个是真货，哪个是假货。
中国还有很多质量有保证的电商企业，卖的元器件会比淘宝上贵一些，但是质量都是有保证的。你可以考虑一下。具体有哪些电商是质量有保证，这个你最好问晕哥，否则他会以为我在打广告。

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Mitko · 2020-04-04 04:48:10

kekemuyu 说：

you can try to order pcbs at https://jlcpcb.com/,this company is famous about making pcbs

I use: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=9379760689
PCBs
20 CNY for 10 pcs. (2 layer, max 100x100 mm) and they give me some small bonuses.

Blueskull 说：

Maybe contact a friend at Olimex?

I do not get along with Olimex. Some years ago I was telling them to developed a cheap Linux board, when the CHIP board was announced:
Chip
They got angry at me and responded that they where not going to developed single core Linux board, since the 4-core SoCs were cheaper. The price of 9 USD was impossible to maintain etc. But in your opinion do the international customers care whatever Olimex wants, since they can purchase sub-10 USD Linux board, like Orange Pi, Lichee Pi Nano, Zero ? Can anyone state how many single-core Linux boards with Allwinner F1C100S, V3S … were sold since 2015 ?

OggyJFX 说：

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In my opinion, it is not much about infrastructure, rather than US protectionism demands. They push China to raise the postage and shipping fees, so the US products can be competitive. The only thing is that US and Europe are technologically failing much behind China and they can not offer such products. You know what is funny, the European Union invested billions of Euros (tax payers money) in Artificial Intelligence and Europe has no major players on the global market. There was one very perspective Romanian company called Movidius. To the best of my understanding the European Union gave them hundred of millions in grants for developing new technologies. And the company was sold to Intel. Intel did noting, but developed some computational stick. I’m currently waiting for respond from one French company, called GreenWaves Technologies (https://greenwaves-technologies.com/), they manufacture GAP8/9 - IoT application processors. One of the problems is that it has small internal memory. It is expandable via HyperBus. Do you know what is the price just of a memory chip with HyperBus ?
GAP8

As about the fakes and low quality products on TaoBao. I had quite few such experiences.
Recently purchased some SPP-C modules:
SPP-C
They were intended for communication with smartphones. But some communication errors were appearing. I had quite a quarrel with the Android software developer, he was demanding that the modules are fake and providing unstable communication. The dispute got so heated, huge insults … at the end, the forum administrators deleted the topic … and I throw on the garbage the boards … So much time, money lost for developing, preparation … Well I do not think that Beken (http://www.bekencorp.com/) BLE products are so bad, but I was considering to order some Nordic Semiconductor (https://www.nordicsemi.com/) BLE boards too. By the way is there Beken IC fakes ?

In the past many TaoBao stores were willing to ship to Europe directly, currently no one is willing to ship directly.

OggyJFX · 2020-04-04 22:43:33

Mitko 说：

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你说的这家公司（http://www.bekencorp.com/），我不太了解。
不过说实话，中国企业，在半导体行业，起步很晚，比你们西方国家晚了很多。所以有时候有些产品会存在一些缺陷，很正常。
以后如果你要开发产品，选择元器件或者模块的时候，最好顺带买一个厂家的评估板，买回去，先用厂家的评估板测试，没问题了再开发，否则等你做了大量开发工作以后才发现有问题，你的损失，确实会很大。
再有就是有了问题以后，你尽可能的给对方提供非常详细的测试方法和测试环境，让对方可以发现芯片确实存在问题。有时候我们也会遇到一些奇怪的问题，客户明明能发现，我们自己就是发现不了，我们有时候就让客户把产品寄回来，我们进行测试。因为技术问题争吵，很正常，但是不要演变成人身攻击，非常不好。
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“The only thing is that US and Europe are technologically failing much behind China and they can not offer such products." 这句话如果我理解得没有问题的话，你是说中国已经超过美国和欧洲了？这一点我非常不赞同。其实从我自身感觉来看，中国不管是高科技方面，还是人民的生活水平，都比美国和欧洲要差。中国现在就是靠着人口多，经济总量才比较大。人均收入，和西方比，还是差很多很多的。
中国的某些产品（像你说的F1C100S）在国际上有成本优势，其实我觉得主要就是因为中国的人力成本比较低。
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另外，问一下，你们那儿现在2019-nCoV的疫情怎么样？我看了一下，保加利亚到目前为止，是400多例。
这次的疫情，让我非常不理解的是，中国在1月份的时候，宣布封闭武汉，全国很多城市都减少人员流动，基本都在家待着不出门，经过两个月的时间，疫情稳定了。从1月份开始，中国封城，WHO也多次警告，但你们西方国家，基本没有哪个政府真正的做出一些努力来控制疫情，等到3月份了西方疫情大爆发了，美国，英国都开始批判说中国数据不透明，才导致他们没有采取行动。现在他们做了一些努力，这些努力在大部分中国人眼中，都已经晚了，白折浪费了2个月的时间。但是我不能理解的是，特朗普和约翰逊的支持率还创下新高？

Mitko · 2020-04-05 04:42:30

@OggyJFX,

In my opinion, you should not look just at the numbers … In many cases, it is all fake. I worked in one country for some years – the amount of money big, at the end … nothing, just losses … everything expensive … those are the models that the currently many governments are trying to implement. Building infrastructure, providing sociality … and the end the living conditions get worse, while certain people associated to governments get richer ... What I hear from other people, in China similar stuff ? Someone complained that more than 80% of his product price was transportation fees …

Regarding the virus, the current Bulgarian government is doing something … well what to tell you ? Many Bulgarians think that since there is democracy they can do whatever they want, do not comply with laws, rules … But, from what I understand, initially the Chinese government cover the cases … Presume Johnson and Trump are doing whatever they can. Do you have understanding how greedy some of the people are in those societies ? Many care just about money and what they want. They do not care that their actions can bring damages … I have currently one case, near the appartament where I live in Bulgaria, someone is building another housing block. It is very close and in my opinion does not comply with building standards. So, I had a complain. The Bulgarian police asked me to go for discussion of the cases. At some point referred that in their opinion, I was no-one and the price of my life was nothing in comparison to the money this investor was putting in this building. And this was the position of the Bulgarian police. In your opinion, should I care if those pricks get infected by the virus etc. ?

晕哥 · 2020-04-05 08:41:47

老铁们,关于democracy和virus的问题有点敏感, 可以移步Quroa或者Zhihu讨论:

https://www.quora.com/
https://www.zhihu.com/

xavierchen · 2020-04-05 10:53:57

international 了

OggyJFX · 2020-04-07 23:47:13

Mitko 说：

But, from what I understand, initially the Chinese government cover the cases

中国有个词，叫“马后炮”，或者叫“事后诸葛”，你知道啥意思不？
中国政府，在这一次疫情中，我个人觉得做得非常好了。
你们西方的媒体，一直就戴着有色眼镜来报道中国，所以你们得到的消息，基本全是和中国人拉仇恨的。
西方政府为了掩盖自己的无能，现在全赖中国。
这个事情，应该是一个很严谨的事情，科学家需要一定时间来研究，钟南山老先生发现这个病毒会人传人以后，
中国就封闭了一个工业重城（在全中国人民一年中最重要的节日，封闭一个中国工业重城，你以为开玩笑？），
美国就从中国撤侨，然后你们西方的媒体就开始嘲笑我们中国人戴口罩。
从1月份中国发现病毒，你们就开始嘲笑我们戴口罩，现在你们说中国隐瞒疫情，
你觉得作为一个有思考能力的成年人，为什么会说出这样的话来？
中国人，在一年中最重要的节日，停止外出，停止聚会，最终把感染人数控制在一个比较低的水平，难道就因为
西方国家感染人数多，中国的数据就是假的？

小智 · 2020-04-08 09:14:19

OggyJFX 说：

中国有个词，叫“马后炮”，或者叫“事后诸葛”，你知道啥意思不？
中国政府，在这一次疫情中，我个人觉得做得非常好了。
你们西方的媒体，一直就戴着有色眼镜来报道中国，所以你们得到的消息，基本全是和中国人拉仇恨的。
西方政府为了掩盖自己的无能，现在全赖中国。
这个事情，应该是一个很严谨的事情，科学家需要一定时间来研究，钟南山老先生发现这个病毒会人传人以后，
中国就封闭了一个工业重城（在全中国人民一年中最重要的节日，封闭一个中国工业重城，你以为开玩笑？），
美国就从中国撤侨，然后你们西方的媒体就开始嘲笑我们中国人戴口罩。
从1月份中国发现病毒，你们就开始嘲笑我们戴口罩，现在你们说中国隐瞒疫情，
你觉得作为一个有思考能力的成年人，为什么会说出这样的话来？
中国人，在一年中最重要的节日，停止外出，停止聚会，最终把感染人数控制在一个比较低的水平，难道就因为
西方国家感染人数多，中国的数据就是假的？

你理这种外国人干嘛？享受着中国的商品，还骂着中国，一有问题还来问你们，你们咋这么热心回答呢，遇到这种人，不搭理他，啥问题也不回答，再说了，外国疫情和中国有啥关系，做好自己就行了，看最后这么骂着中国的外国人用不用中国的口罩保命，你管他的闲事干嘛？

小智 · 2020-04-08 09:17:58

遇到这种人，你们还上杆子回答他的问题，要我说，对于中国友好的国际友人帮帮得了，这种诋毁中国的外国人一句话也不搭理他，管他的闲事，你们就是太闲了

k455619 · 2020-04-08 09:20:34

估计还有人,不知道楼主是个什么样的东西吧。

OggyJFX · 2020-04-08 16:03:26

小智说：

遇到这种人，你们还上杆子回答他的问题，要我说，对于中国友好的国际友人帮帮得了，这种诋毁中国的外国人一句话也不搭理他，管他的闲事，你们就是太闲了

确实是闲得没事水水贴而已。
有时候遇到问题解决不了，头疼的时候就上来水水贴。

OggyJFX · 2020-04-08 16:05:29

k455619 说：

估计还有人,不知道楼主是个什么样的东西吧。

有个地方方言叫“瓜娃子”。

k455619 · 2020-04-08 17:40:42

OggyJFX 说：

有个地方方言叫“瓜娃子”。

还有 “憨包谷” 哈哈哈

Mitko · 2020-04-08 23:11:43

I am sorry, but really do not understand what you are trying to prove. The facts show something different.

For example, recently I ordered some ICs (30 pcs - MT3608 丝印B6289 SOT23-6 5V/1.2A 移动电源专用芯片), the Shipforwarder company claims their weight is 40 g., presenting the picture:

I got s similar bag and put some similar items, just to see what the weight might be: 4g.:
4g. package

Shipforwarder claims that the items weight is 40 g. while the actual weight (probably around 4g.) is much less.

OggyJFX · 2020-04-09 11:19:50

Mitko 说：

I am sorry, but really do not understand what you are trying to prove. The facts show something different.

我不想向你证明啥，我只想告诉你，一切都很好，大家都很幸福。
只是有一点，不要把自己的无能和懒惰，怪到别人头上。
见别人过得比自己好，就叽叽歪歪的，把自己的不幸(重点指疫情)都说成是别人的责任。
遇事多找主观原因，少找客观原因。

Mitko · 2020-04-09 16:22:08

OggyJFX 说：

一切都很好，大家都很幸福。

Not so sure what is fine and who is happy with your Chinese stuff and practices ..., you can take a look at the following articles:

- Anti-Asian hate continues to spread online amid COVID-19 pandemic (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/anti-asian-hate-continues-spread-online-covid-19-pandemic-200405063015286.html)
- British 5G towers are being set on fire because of coronavirus conspiracy theories (https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/4/21207927/5g-towers-burning-uk-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-link)
- Coronavirus: Countries reject Chinese-made equipment (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52092395)
- MPs launch inquiry into potential Chinese asset stripping of UK firms (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/08/mps-launch-inquiry-into-potential-chinese-asset-stripping-of-uk-firms)
...

OggyJFX · 2020-04-09 21:50:39

Mitko 说：

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这些新闻愿怎么说怎么说去吧。
1. 中国有句俗话叫“好事不出门，坏事传千里”。
2. 你说的那个口罩的问题，中国政府已经解释了很多次了，西班牙自己图便宜，买了非医用口罩，中国厂家也告诉他们那是非医用口罩了，结果他们自己不注意，要拿去当医用口罩。
3. 就算那批口罩有问题，在中国出口的口罩中，也只算一小部分。就像你的产品，就一定没有BUG？有一个小BUG，我就否定你整个产品，你觉得可以么？
4. 你有没有发现，整个论坛里面，就我和你谈论一下这些事情，其它人都懒得搭理你？你们西方人总有戴着有色眼镜看待中国，成天竟整一些铺天盖地的假新闻，让人很反感。你们天天整“Anti-Asian hate”，你看论坛里面，有人天天骂你么？
5. 论坛里面的朋友们都知道的一个事实：和XX讲道理，肯定是讲不通的。

微凉VeiLiang · 2020-04-10 09:24:48

Mitko 说：

I am sorry, but really do not understand what you are trying to prove. The facts show something different.
For example, recently I ordered some ICs (30 pcs - MT3608 丝印B6289 SOT23-6 5V/1.2A 移动电源专用芯片), the Shipforwarder company claims their weight is 40 g., presenting the picture:
https://whycan.cn/files/members/667/Shipforwarder_20200408-2301.jpg
I got s similar bag and put some similar items, just to see what the weight might be: 4g.:
https://whycan.cn/files/members/667/4g_package.jpg
Shipforwarder claims that the items weight is 40 g. while the actual weight (probably around 4g.) is much less.

这是要笑死我然后继承我的花呗账单？

OggyJFX · 2020-04-10 11:01:40

微凉VeiLiang 说：

这是要笑死我然后继承我的花呗账单？

这属于中式幽默，我估计他够呛能看懂你这是什么意思。

Mitko · 2020-04-19 01:09:08

微凉VeiLiang 说：

这是要笑死我然后继承我的花呗账单？

If you have to pay just for shipping 30 USD/kg would you still find it laughable ?

The latest Shipforwarder price for shipping 1 kg package to Bulgaria:

Mitko · 2020-05-06 19:30:56

The latest Chinese “invention” in shipping:

Shipforwarder

The copyright issues are quite important. I’ve seen on this site software with cracks etc. Shouldn't the site administrators delete such posts ?
Also why don’t you use free compilers/IDEs like GCC, Segger Embedded Studio, Eclipse … ?

Blueskull · 2020-05-06 21:57:53

Mitko 说：

The latest Chinese “invention” in shipping:

You are welcomed to use 100x more expensive legally licensed products.
Rule number 1 in China, there's no right or wrong, only power matters.
If they can f* your IP and get around, they will. One day you will do the same depending on which shoes your feet are in.

Mitko 说：

The copyright issues are quite important. I’ve seen on this site software with cracks etc. Shouldn't the site administrators delete such posts ?

This is a forum which is supposed to share resources.
I personally don't use pirate software, but there's nothing weird or wrong to use cracked software in China for most people.
Return the loot the West took from China and we can talk IP rights.

Mitko 说：

Also why don’t you use free compilers/IDEs like GCC, Segger Embedded Studio, Eclipse … ?

I use gcc, Linux, KiCAD and LibreOffice, and when I used to use Windows, I had a $10k copy of Altium designer, a few copies of Windows and a few copies of Office and Visio, all paid with real cash.
It's hard to persuade the others to practice what you think is right, and my recommendation for you is simple: when in Rome, do Romans do.

BTW, in case you haven't feel from the verbiage of most posters here, you are either a joke here, or a joker. You are probably not very welcomed here.

xk100 · 2020-05-06 22:35:51

说实说，我不建议楼主在中国境内购买产品。

Mitko · 2020-05-29 17:21:22

The Chinese greediness is endless. Not only the shipping cost were raised, different fees introduced, but the lattes: The earlier advertised PCB manufacturer, raised the price, for 2 model PCB – 20 CNY/10 pcs., for 4 model – 120 CNY.

PCBs China

Blueskull · 2020-05-29 18:18:57

Mitko 说：

The Chinese greediness is endless. Not only the shipping cost were raised, different fees introduced, but the lattes: The earlier advertised PCB manufacturer, raised the price, for 2 model PCB – 20 CNY/10 pcs., for 4 model – 120 CNY.

If you need something from them, they have the advantage on price setting.
If you don't know what (raw) capitalism is, I suggest you to look it up on Wikipedia.

Mitko · 2020-05-29 18:28:39

Blueskull 说：

If you need something from them, they have the advantage on price setting.
If you don't know what (raw) capitalism is, I suggest you to look it up on Wikipedia.

I really highly recommend you not to play further on my nerve. Presume you follow the Huawei case … Additional measures can be taken against China and Chinese companies and people.

Blueskull · 2020-05-29 18:51:02

Mitko 说：

I really highly recommend you not to play further on my nerve. Presume you follow the Huawei case … Additional measures can be taken against China and Chinese companies and people.

Lol. Who the F do you think you are? Oh, just another partially evolved white trash with stinky armpits.

BTW, Chinese government has captured a few Canadian and American spies, one eben being former doplomat. I don't see China loses in Ms. Meng's case on an an eye for an eye basis.

Mitko · 2020-06-01 15:00:01

Blueskull 说：

Lol. Who the F do you think you are? Oh, just another partially evolved white trash with stinky armpits..

In UK for example people loose their jobs … for such comments … Unfortunately, in China as well as the moderators of this web site seems not to take proper measures regarding the previous as well as current insults, harassment etc.

I currently wondering which would be more effective, to demand from the European authorities this web site to be ban in Europe, North America or take more drastic measures ?

Blueskull · 2020-06-01 19:05:16

Mitko 说：

In UK for example people loose their jobs … for such comments …

So white supremacy is true in the decadent West. I ALMOST can't breathe.

Mitko 说：

I currently wondering which would be more effective, to demand from the European authorities this web site to be ban in Europe, North America or take more drastic measures ?

I recommend you to do all of these and see if anyone ever gives you a single shit. We'd be glad if this forum is not plagued with inferior races.

最近编辑记录 Blueskull (2020-06-01 19:07:44)

Mitko · 2020-06-01 19:29:46

@Blueskull, Don’t you understand what huge JOKE you are …

@ SITE ADMINISTRATORS: I DEMAND MY ACCOUNT TO BE DELETED ! I ALREADY REPORTED THIS WEB SITE TO THE POLICE. CONTINUING TO ALLOW INSULTING ... MESSAGES, PUBLISH CRACK AND PIRATED SOFTWARE WILL RESULT ADDITIONAL ACTIONS !

Blueskull · 2020-06-01 19:36:52

Mitko 说：

@Blueskull, Don’t you understand what huge JOKE you are …

I know what I am, little angry man.

You probably want to know that Baidu is the world's largest piracy website, technically, and they make good money and even got listed on NASDAQ.

No one cares about what you believe fucktard. Let's see what your puny little police friends can do to us.

xm1994 · 2020-06-01 19:37:18

@站长抓紧把这傻子封了吧，这就是个脑残

Mitko · 2020-11-09 16:24:58

Blueskull 说：

Let's see what your puny little police friends can do to us.

You have a point, the European police is not so good ...

xm1994 说：

@站长抓紧把这傻子封了吧，这就是个脑残

Your comment translates to: @站长, hurry up and seal this fool, this is a brain-dead

I find the Chinese are more stupid people, as about the dead, look what your virus is causing in Denmark:

Minkst

Denmark to cull up to 17 million mink amid coronavirus fears: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54818615

redstar · 2020-11-09 16:46:03

你是特朗普转世吧，这锅甩得阔以噢
如果嘴炮可以治疗你们欧洲就好了。

smartcar · 2020-11-10 16:17:49

嘴炮一时爽，一直嘴炮一直爽

Mitko · 2021-01-09 15:48:33

redstar 说：

你是特朗普转世吧，这锅甩得阔以噢
如果嘴炮可以治疗你们欧洲就好了。

Despite politics for more restrictions, nothing in common.

Some Chinese are crooks and dishonest people. The last package from Shipforwarder was returned to them and currently they even do not respond to inquiry where the package is.

The Europeans are very stupid people, making an investment deal with China …

smartcar 说：

嘴炮一时爽，一直嘴炮一直爽

No benefits … just problems and losses …

路人甲 · 2021-01-09 15:54:12

两次世界大战都站错对跟了德国，后面又反水跟苏联，再反水认美国爹，一个蕞尔小国的阿猫阿狗不配在这里高谈阔论。

Mitko · 2021-01-09 16:05:23

路人甲说：

两次世界大战都站错对跟了德国，后面又反水跟苏联，再反水认美国爹，一个蕞尔小国的阿猫阿狗不配在这里高谈阔论。

You have no proper understanding about history … Sure, not worth dealing with thieves and crooks … the issues with my money that were paid for stuff that were not delivered remains …

Blueskull · 2021-01-09 17:29:27

Let's see what this wonderful gentleman who should be tossed into Hillary's basket of deplorables is capable of other than raging and making a good laugh for the rest of us.

Mitko · 2021-01-09 17:43:19

Blueskull 说：

Let's see what this wonderful gentleman who should be tossed into Hillary's basket of deplorables is capable of other than raging and making a good laugh for the rest of us.

The last time I checked the Huawei equipment will be removed from the UK telecoms. If you intend to get the same result within Europe … continue in the same direction.

Blueskull · 2021-01-09 18:32:41

Mitko 说：

The last time I checked the Huawei equipment will be removed from the UK telecoms. If you intend to get the same result within Europe … continue in the same direction.

I'm sure you are not part of the decision loop. Get a life, little pathetic bug.

转角1068 · 2021-01-09 19:09:50

科学无国界，但是科学家有国界，然而喷子不分国界。你这么能喷，相对于保加利亚来说不知道是个体事件还是群体事件呢？

mwin · 2021-01-10 17:13:33

Mitko 说：

Blueskull 说：
Let's see what your puny little police friends can do to us.
You have a point, the European police is not so good ...
xm1994 说：
@站长抓紧把这傻子封了吧，这就是个脑残
Your comment translates to: @站长, hurry up and seal this fool, this is a brain-dead
I find the Chinese are more stupid people, as about the dead, look what your virus is causing in Denmark:
https://whycan.com/files/members/667/Title%20mangler.jpg
Denmark to cull up to 17 million mink amid coronavirus fears: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54818615

你妈叫你回去吃XX了.

mwin · 2021-01-10 17:16:33

Mitko 说：

In various topics, I described the issues that I was experienced with the Chinese ship-forwarding companies. As was mentioned, I withheld one of the payments to YoyBuy (https://www.yoybuy.com) due to various problems, but they continue to demand I to pay them. I also registered a new account with Shipforwarder (https://www.shipforwarder.com/), but they raised the shipping prices. Bellow are the prices for shipping 1 kg. to Bulgaria.
YoyBuy:
https://whycan.cn/files/members/667/YoyBuy.jpg
Shipforwarder:
https://whycan.cn/files/members/667/Shipforwarder.jpg
In my opinion, it looks expensive. Can anyone recommend other options ?

每一次都你见说运费的事,付不起运费就不要买就行了.

Mitko · 2021-01-10 22:01:32

mwin 说：

每一次都你见说运费的事,付不起运费就不要买就行了.

The package had one PCB I spent quite of time … to develop – PumpkinPi … apparently will have to look for other solutions …

PumpkinPi

流氓兔 · 2021-01-10 22:06:31

Mitko 说：

mwin 说：
每一次都你见说运费的事,付不起运费就不要买就行了.
The package had one PCB I spent quite of time … to develop – PumpkinPi … apparently will have to look for other solutions …
https://whycan.com/files/members/667/V3S.jpg

这是你的github吗? https://github.com/martinwoodward/PumpkinPi

你是 PumpkinPi 的作者吗?

最近编辑记录流氓兔 (2021-01-10 22:13:08)

saub · 2021-01-10 23:26:34

Mitko 说：

Blueskull 说：
Let's see what this wonderful gentleman who should be tossed into Hillary's basket of deplorables is capable of other than raging and making a good laugh for the rest of us.
The last time I checked the Huawei equipment will be removed from the UK telecoms. If you intend to get the same result within Europe … continue in the same direction.

your mother call you home to eat excrement!go with you now!

Mitko · 2021-01-11 00:21:36

流氓兔说：

这是你的github吗? https://github.com/martinwoodward/PumpkinPi
你是 PumpkinPi 的作者吗?

No, that is some other project, seems based on RaspberryPi.

saub 说：

your mother call you home to eat excrement!go with you now!

Thanks for the reminder. You know in Europe, … Bulgaria there are quite few Chinese restaurants. In many cases they do not comply with the local health requirements and are subject to various penalties. I usually do not eat at such places, the last time my relatives brought food from a Chinese restaurant, it was so hot, the plastic box was melting into the food … so, actually the Chinese are provide bad and unhealthy food. The mater with the Chinese in Europe …, their activities apparently needs to be further evaluated.

马前卒 · 2021-01-11 08:31:27

不好好建设自己的国家和欧洲，把所有的锅都扣在咱们头上，就服你们这些双标白皮，国际驰名双标。

我估计是货运公司的疏忽，发现一个名不见经传的地方突然有订单，于是不想亏本，提高了报价，然后楼主一顿抱怨之后就是“种族”，“病毒", 我草！

Mitko · 2021-01-11 16:17:06

马前卒说：

不好好建设自己的国家和欧洲，把所有的锅都扣在咱们头上，就服你们这些双标白皮，国际驰名双标。
我估计是货运公司的疏忽，发现一个名不见经传的地方突然有订单，于是不想亏本，提高了报价，然后楼主一顿抱怨之后就是“种族”，“病毒", 我草！

If you have so negative views about Europeans, why did you agree on a deal with EU:

EU and China reach agreement in principle on investment: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2541

The EU and China have today concluded in principle the negotiations for a Comprehensive Agreement on Investment (CAI). This deal follows a call between Chinese President Xi Jinping and European Commission President von der Leyen ….
……...
China has committed to a greater level of market access for EU investors than ever before, including some new important market openings. China is also making commitments to ensure fair treatment for EU companies so they can compete on a better level playing field in China
……...
In the sectors covered, European business will gain certainty and predictability for their operations as China will no longer be able to prohibit access or introduce new discriminatory practices.
………

Angmall · 2021-01-12 06:46:33

Mitko 说：

I am sorry, but really do not understand what you are trying to prove. The facts show something different.
For example, recently I ordered some ICs (30 pcs - MT3608 丝印B6289 SOT23-6 5V/1.2A 移动电源专用芯片), the Shipforwarder company claims their weight is 40 g., presenting the picture:
https://whycan.cn/files/members/667/Shipforwarder_20200408-2301.jpg
I got s similar bag and put some similar items, just to see what the weight might be: 4g.:
https://whycan.cn/files/members/667/4g_package.jpg
Shipforwarder claims that the items weight is 40 g. while the actual weight (probably around 4g.) is much less.

Why is shipping from China so expensive?
It all comes down to the volumetric weight, which is a calculation shipping companies use instead of just the weight or size of the shipment. The bulkier your items are, the more space they take up and the more expensive the shipping costs will be, so keep in mind that it's not just about the weight of the shipment

Mitko · 2021-01-12 18:00:27

Angmall 说：

Why is shipping from China so expensive?

I do have other views: apparently some companies got “exclusive” rights to ship abroad and there are problems …

I should also mention the fact that the package in dispute was not received.

For anyone that purchase anything from China – you might may pay for something, pay expensive shipping via DHL Express …. and receive nothing. The Chinese government does nothing about the raised issues etc.

Dealing with China is just loss of money, time, resources … to mention not the insults etc.

Blueskull · 2021-01-13 10:42:23

Mitko 说：

Dealing with China is just loss of money, time, resources … to mention not the insults etc.

Because you didn't do it the Chinese way. You could have just taken the loss and spare yourself from a lot of troubles and find another reshipper an save all the efforts bitching here. In the end you ended up wasting less time, and spending less jumping through the hoops.

We are a utilitarian country. We don't care what is "right" or otherwise. We care about getting the things done, the quickest and cheapest way. Just do what successful, or rich people do. Your country certainly has many people dealing with China and made great money. Copy and paste what they do, don't ask questions, and you will be fine.

Never pursue what is theoretically "should be" in China. It doesn't work here.

Mitko · 2021-01-13 15:54:02

Blueskull 说：

We care about getting the things done, the quickest and cheapest way.

You are not aware about the practices, fees … of those companies like DHL Express, for example the fees for receiving a package:

- Obtaining a Bulgarian custom number – 12 EUR
- Bank insurance for transit of a package in Bulgaria – 2 % of customs fees, minimum 10 EUR
- Transit of a package in Bulgaria - 2 % of customs fees, minimum 12 EUR
- Filing a customs declaration – for more than 4 articles – 5 EUR per 3 articles. For example, if a package has 200 articles – just the fee for filing customs declaration is above 320 EUR.
- Payment of customs taxes – 10 EUR
- Storage fee – 5 EUR/day + 0.1 EUR/kg
….

and those fees do not include VAT (+20 %) … On the top of this DHL Express demands – original Chinese invoices with wet stamp. In your opinion, how many seller on Taobao issue such ?

Blueskull 说：

... bitching here

Since the Chinese government does nothing about the raised issues, what one can do ? Do you know that certain services of the Chinese government are restricted just for Chinese citizens. For example, filing a report to the Chinese police requires a Chinese ID number …

In Bulgaria we had one businessmen, a billionaire, currently resides in UAE. His nickname is like yours – the Skull. His main business was gambling – casinos, lotteries … The rumors say, that some members of the Bulgarian government demanded to pay them – 25M EUR. Apparently he refused and they pressed him to sell his business … based on the media info, he also refused, so the authorities started to investigate his businesses. The latest publicly released info, is that his companies were not paying taxes – more that 250M EUR for 5 years …

Blueskull · 2021-01-13 16:25:00

Mitko 说：

and those fees do not include VAT (+20 %) … On the top of this DHL Express demands – original Chinese invoices with wet stamp. In your opinion, how many seller on Taobao issue such?

My condolences to your situation. Blame the EU bureaucrats, not us. I never had issues shipping to or from the US, and I lived both here and there for extended periods. Probably that's why the EU doesn't have as strong economy.

Mitko 说：

Since the Chinese government does nothing about the raised issues, what one can do?

International purchase is not protected in the first place. Not happy with this? Don't buy internationally, or buy from companies known to do well on international orders. I happen to be close friends with a leading Chinese open source hardware startup that made its way to Mouser. If you started this thread with an attitude to solve problems rather than like this, I might offer some of my resources.

Mitko 说：

For example, filing a report to the Chinese police requires a Chinese ID number …

I happen to be a PI to a few students, one being Pakistani. Weird though, he doesn't seem to have problems dealing with the government. No ID? Use your passport! There are as many foreigners living in China as the population of a small European country. How did they get around here?

In Bulgaria we had one businessmen, a billionaire ... his companies were not paying taxes – more that 250M EUR for 5 years …

You also have Olimex to refer to and you have to refer to this guy. Brilliant.

dso_2019 · 2021-01-14 08:56:13

英语都这么好，看你们写的很费劲，要百度翻译才行

Mitko · 2021-02-23 02:08:57

dso_2019 说：

英语都这么好，看你们写的很费劲，要百度翻译才行

测试百度翻译。

我最近遇到的中国产品的问题是，购买了1W激光模块，工作了12-13个小时，然后就停了。我从其他论坛上了解到的情况对于中国激光模块来说非常普遍。

Laser

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=594984044926

vip888888 · 2021-02-23 09:50:51

我也测试下看英国老鼠会不会乱码。
Why don't you go to sleep?
What are you worrying about?
Your job.
Your paycheck or your loved ones.
Is your dream getting closer or drifting away?

LinjieGuo · 2021-02-23 13:33:36

Mitko 说：

dso_2019 说：
英语都这么好，看你们写的很费劲，要百度翻译才行
测试百度翻译。
我最近遇到的中国产品的问题是，购买了1W激光模块，工作了12-13个小时，然后就停了。我从其他论坛上了解到的情况对于中国激光模块来说非常普遍。
https://whycan.com/files/members/667/laser.jpg
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=594984044926

It is suggested that the laser head should work for 15 minutes and rest for 5 minutes instead of working continuously, which is beneficial to prolong the life of the laser head.

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whyabc666 · 2021-04-27 11:16:27

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我爱这夜色茫茫，也爱这夜莺歌唱，
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夜来香，夜来香，夜来香。

Mitko · 2022-12-17 18:53:25

For some time, I had no serious issues with shipping products out of China. BLDC motors were in general problematic … However recently the export issues started again. Have one package it was returned multiple times. Is this currently common in China ?

2022-12-11 14:38 北京市, 退回妥投
2022-12-11 08:19 北京市, 【北京市昌平区东三旗揽投部】安排投递，投递员：张为明，电话：18519364409，揽投部电话：010-61724048
2022-12-11 07:13 北京市, 到达【北京市昌平区东三旗揽投部】
2022-12-11 04:55 北京市, 离开【北京新顺处理中心】，下一站【北京市昌平区东三旗揽投部】
2022-12-10 14:01 北京市, 进口海关放行
2022-12-10 08:39 北京市, 送交进口海关
2022-12-09 18:55 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】退回，备注：安检退回
2022-12-08 22:25 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2022-12-08 11:08 北京市, 退回
2022-12-08 02:28 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2022-12-08 01:09 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2022-12-07 22:06 北京市, 到达【北京航邮航站运输车间】
2022-12-07 20:14 北京市, 离开【上地电商营销中心】，下一站【北京】
2022-12-07 15:06 北京市, 【上地电商营销中心】已收寄，揽投员：郑立阶，电话：18519364404

LinjieGuo · 2022-12-17 20:51:51

我买了个饭盒，收件地址，广东广州番禺8天没到，然后。。。
快递到了广州，提示：由于派件员忙，派送时间可能增加。
结果，物流居然直接退回去了。。。
I bought a lunch box. The delivery address was Panyu, Guangzhou, Guangdong. I hadn't been there for 8 days, and then...

When the express arrived in Guangzhou, it was suggested that the delivery time might increase due to the busy dispatchers.

As a result, the logistics actually returned directly...

Mitko · 2023-01-03 16:00:22

I really do not understand what is going on with the Chinese postal service. The package was returned again:

Destination - Sync Time: 2023-01-03 08:46:21 (GMT+02:00)
2022-12-26 05:40 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Send item abroad (EDI-received)
2022-12-23 15:20 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Insert item into bag (Otb) and Send item abroad
2022-12-23 12:51 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Receive item at office of exchange (Otb)
2022-12-21 14:45 CHINA, 300000, Receive item from customer (Otb)

Origin - Sync Time: 2023-01-03 09:53:03 (GMT+02:00)
2023-01-03 14:48 天津市, 退回妥投
2023-01-03 14:47 天津市, 【天津市和平区天大揽投部】安排投递，投递员：程磊，电话：18222747903，揽投部电话：13752258420
2023-01-01 08:32 天津市, 到达【天津市和平区天大揽投部】
2023-01-01 06:22 天津市, 离开【天津邮件处理中心】，下一站【天津市和平区天大揽投部】
2022-12-31 13:14 天津市, 进口海关放行
2022-12-31 08:42 天津市, 送交进口海关
2022-12-29 11:01 天津市, 到达【天津邮件处理中心】
2022-12-28 16:25 北京市, 离开【北京航邮航站运输车间】，下一站【天津邮件处理中心】（经转）
2022-12-26 19:04 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】退回，备注：退回
2022-12-25 20:30 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2022-12-25 16:23 北京市, 退回
2022-12-25 10:36 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2022-12-23 15:20 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2022-12-23 04:17 北京市, 到达【北京航邮航站运输车间】（经转）
2022-12-22 23:28 天津市, 离开【天津邮件处理中心】，下一站【北京航邮航站运输车间】
2022-12-22 14:32 天津市, 到达【天津市国际互换局】
2022-12-22 13:10 天津市, 出口海关/放行
2022-12-21 16:26 天津市, 离开【天津市和平区天大揽投部】，下一站【天津市】
2022-12-21 14:45 天津市, 【天津市和平区天大揽投部】已收寄，揽投员：程磊，电话：18222747903

double33 · 2023-01-03 17:32:39

中国人可不是为了服务你而存在，当然你们这些洋人也可以试着来征服我们服从，但显然这对你们的madara rider来说有些尴尬，中国人对保加利亚的印象可能只有保加利亚乳酸菌。如果我的话对您的有所冒犯，您只能听下去了...，因为我也是个网络喷子，一个为非白人争取喷人权的rider!!!。

unturned3 · 2023-01-03 18:24:32

Mitko 说：

I really do not understand what is going on with the Chinese postal service.

In case you've been living under a rock: deliveries in general are kinda fucked recently due to c0v1d resurgences here.

By the way,

Mitko 说：

@ SITE ADMINISTRATORS: I DEMAND MY ACCOUNT TO BE DELETED ! I ALREADY REPORTED THIS WEB SITE TO THE POLICE.

最近编辑记录 unturned3 (2023-01-03 18:25:59)

Mitko · 2023-01-06 01:58:15

Taobao is really getting worse. The latest – transaction fee and they charged me in USD.

Taobao USD

By the way I will really appreciate if someone can share the FPGA firmware for Hantek 6254BC oscilloscope. One topic on EEVblog - Hantek6074BC-hack to 250MHz, states that the boards of 6074BC and 6254BC are the same, just the FPGA firmware is different.

gjc2010gys · 2023-01-12 18:27:51

vip888888 说：

我也测试下看英国老鼠会不会乱码。
Why don't you go to sleep?
What are you worrying about?
Your job.
Your paycheck or your loved ones.
Is your dream getting closer or drifting away?

别尬黑，它是保加利亚人(*^_^*)

Mitko 说：

@ SITE ADMINISTRATORS: I DEMAND MY ACCOUNT TO BE DELETED ! I ALREADY REPORTED THIS WEB SITE TO THE POLICE.

蚌埠住了(*^_^*)
这个网站没有任何问题，至于您的评论我认为是为黑而黑，这明明只是你的中文有问题导致的问题，不应该怪罪在中国上，所以我认为您的论证从一开始就在混淆视线，毫无逻辑可言。(*^_^*)
我很好奇你是怎么向警方报告这个网站的，报保加利亚警察吗？(*^_^*)

I don't think you will understand the words what i say. That is fine. You can use the translator.By the way, I can't speak English.(*^_^*)

Mitko · 2023-01-16 17:57:54

@gjc2010gys

What I undershorts is that many Chinese are crooks and liars. Currently, I have 2 packages waiting to be shipped. For the first, it has been more than 2 months, since I paid and it is not shipped yet. It has been returned few times, no clear reason. Many of the Chinese products are low quality, counterfeit products . No proper documentation and support. Every time, I begin to deal with China and Chinese products – only problems.

IOsetting · 2023-01-17 19:35:18

@Mitko
People bought Chinese products for reasons, when it's cheap there is a risk.
If you are not an expert, please don't buy things directly on Taobao.
There are many other better options, for individual, try Aliexpress and lcsc(https://www.lcsc.com/)

Mitko · 2023-01-17 20:22:03

@IOsetting

My current problems are associated with shipping. The last package that seems to be returned:

2023-01-17 15:24 北京市, 退回
2023-01-17 04:06 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2023-01-17 01:15 北京市, 离开【北京望京国际互换局】，下一站【北京航空邮件国际交换站】
2023-01-17 00:28 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2023-01-16 20:54 北京市, 到达【北京航邮航站运输车间】

Otherwise the shipping company has strange pictures:

YoyBuy

Have you ever checked the prices on Aliexpress ? The price of some items is 2x, 3x … higher. For example just look for Sipeed 荔枝糖 Lichee Tang Nano1K 极简 FPGA 开发板直插面包板 - ¥42.00 on Taobao, ¥98.00 on Aliexpress etc.

gjc2010gys · 2023-01-17 22:44:33

@Mitko

Well, about crooks and liars.Every places that have humans always have crooks and liars.It just because you have a problem about China,You magnify this.(*^_^*)

Well, about documentation and support.Chinese enterprises are always more inclined to provide services for people who buy products in bulk. This is a very important thing. Never buy a thing that nobody can play it well.(Things won't have too much documentation and support.)
╮（﹀_﹀）╭

Well, about low quality, counterfeit.Cheap things certainly have disadvantages.You can't get the same quality products with less money.(*^_^*)

Well,Which express company delivers your productions?「(°ヘ°)？

Maybe you can call them and ask for informaion about the problems.Did you do that?「(°ヘ°)?

You can return and buy again, and then ask the shopkeeper to transport your express through the international express company you designated.（Translate by translator）(*^_^*)

Mitko · 2023-01-18 14:50:02

@gjc2010gys

Agree, there are crooks everywhere. But China does nothing about it. I contacted multiple times the Chinese authorities, they did nothing. Currently as mentioned have issues with shipping, the shipping company Yoybuy.com, has not deliver for months some packages and just marked one of them as delivered. This is a not correct activity. In general, China is damaging its reputations and very soon, no one will like to deal with China at all. There are substitute products from other manufacturers etc.

gjc2010gys · 2023-01-20 08:50:53

@Mitko
Well,about the reputations.In fact, products produced in China are rarely used for international trade, and most of them are sold in China.I don't think it will do any harm.After all,cheap prices will attract more people.

I have never heard of the express company youbuy.com.It is just a shopping platform.Maybe you can search about your things with express number and you can know that Which express company delivers your express.(°ヘ°)？

Maybe you can call them and ask for informaion about the problems.Did you do that?「(°ヘ°)?

You can return and buy again, and then ask the shopkeeper to transport your express through the international express company you designated.（Translate by translator）(*^_^*)

农夫三拳 · 2023-01-20 09:35:32

都说不建议你到中国买东西，你还是厚着脸皮买了三年，一边骂骗子，一边买买买，没见过这么不要脸的．

奥斯曼帝国，苏联帝国先后奴役的国家，居然有脸搞种族歧视，滚远点！

Mitko · 2023-01-20 13:05:57

@gjc2010gys

Currently China customs is returning the packages without clear reason. In my opinion, probably they have lots of corrupted officials waiting for bribes. Apparently Chinese selling to other countries via other sites, have no problems sending goods abroad.

Many of the product on the European market are Chinese made. Just the prices of most of them are few times higher.

@农夫三拳

你是对的，我买了很多不该买的东西。这将会改变。至于其他问题，你应该先批评自己，再批评别人。中国对维吾尔族穆斯林的剥削情况如何？

哇酷小二 · 2023-01-20 15:17:12

@Mitko
关于穆斯林的问题，
我想回复你两个汉字：傻逼，
广东话是：丢你老母
英文是：SB

这个网站不欢迎你，死“白皮佬”爱去哪去哪。

Mitko · 2023-01-20 15:59:08

@哇酷小二

这是为什么？因为像华为、海康威视这样的公司……免费使用强迫劳动。我不希望欧洲也有中国公司和产品。他们仍然贿赂政府官员，给慈善机构捐款等等。你知道什么是中国文化吗？可怕。最近在中国有一个电视节目。一个俄罗斯人从电视剧开始就想退出，但中国人违背他的意愿把他留到了节目结束。让人们做一些违背他们意愿的事情并不是积极的事情。

至于白皮肤。我理解你的立场，所有中国人都是黄帝后裔。但你不认为这种对其他人的歧视实际上是中国人的问题吗？

哇酷小二 · 2023-01-20 16:08:39

滚吧滚吧，哥不太喜欢有狐臭味的白皮，特别是胡言乱语的．

Mitko · 2023-01-20 20:14:05

@哇酷小二

很不幸全世界都有像你这样的人。你不是在寻找解决问题的方法，而是在侮辱。在中国有值得关注的产品，比如乐鑫、WCH等的产品。但是欧洲和北美的许多开发人员拒绝与他们合作。直到现在我都支持中国产品，这肯定会改变。另外，淘宝whycan.cn店铺的产品价格不菲。还有其他商店价格更低且免费送货。

gjc2010gys · 2023-01-21 09:41:59

@Mitko
中国对维吾尔族穆斯林不存在剥削，这是西方媒体的纯粹编造。这是一个极其严重及危险的政治话题。我发现你未能尝试去解决问题，而是以此为导火索激发民族主义和种族主义，这是非常恶劣的行为。

如果你想要尝试解决你的邮政问题，请放弃你的政治话题。

gjc2010gys · 2023-01-21 09:47:35

@Mitko
你似乎也没有尝试过解决问题，你未能联系你的货运公司，你未能联系你的商品卖家，你未能尝试联系海关，你未能尝试其他快递公司，你未能尝试过任何可能解决这些问题的方案，而是将话题引导香种族主义，民族主义和极端政治上。(σ;*Д*)σ死刑！

最后一次，如果您信任我，我们也许可以帮助你，如果你仍然想要扩大你政治化的战场，我们必定会采取措施。( ﹡ˆoˆ﹡ )

gjc2010gys · 2023-01-21 09:51:32

@Mitko
关于出口价格问题，请咨询你的所在地的进口关税和中国的出口关税。我相信这个问题不只是属于中国。( ﹡ˆoˆ﹡ )

其他商店？请推荐。( ﹡ˆoˆ﹡ )

ncer · 2023-01-21 13:51:26

弹丸小国

Mitko · 2023-02-06 19:23:51

My package was returned again. Could you please instead of posting stupid comments on other web sites contact China customs and ask them my packages to be exported from China.

Destination - Sync Time: 2023-02-06 10:34:12 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-06 05:40 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Send item abroad (EDI-received)
2023-02-03 23:24 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Insert item into bag (Otb) and Send item abroad
2023-02-03 23:08 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Receive item at office of exchange (Otb)
2023-02-03 15:46 CHINA, 102209, Receive item from customer (Otb)

Origin - Sync Time: 2023-02-06 10:34:09 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-06 08:49 北京市, 进口海关放行
2023-02-06 08:17 北京市, 送交进口海关
2023-02-05 18:33 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】退回，备注：安检退回
2023-02-05 10:50 北京市, 离开【北京航空邮件国际交换站】，下一站【北京望京国际互换局】
2023-02-04 21:06 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2023-02-04 17:24 北京市, 退回
2023-02-04 01:54 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2023-02-03 23:24 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2023-02-03 20:28 北京市, 到达【北京航邮航站运输车间】
2023-02-03 20:19 北京市, 离开【上地电商营销中心】，下一站【北京】
2023-02-03 15:46 北京市, 【上地电商营销中心】已收寄，揽投员：孟超，电话：13910264320

Mitko · 2023-02-07 17:49:26

The response I received from China customs:

您好：
您在中国海关门户网站业务咨询栏目提交的关于中国海关不断退回我的包裹的问题，现回复如下：
您的留言已收阅，请将该问题提交网站业务咨询栏目处理，或请拨打12360海关服务热线，那里将有专门人员为您解答或处理。

It is interesting why the Chinese authorities – China customs, China Ministry of foreign affairs have no proper contact information: email etc.

So, US shoot down the Chinese 'spy balloon' … If you want a war you will get one.

gjc2010gys · 2023-02-10 18:59:26

@Mitko
Did you see that number?12360.Call it.

你的快递公司是哪家？

如果可以的话，提供你的快递单号？

http://gdfs.customs.gov.cn/eportal/ui?pageId=3742742 试着访问这个网站，点击“我要咨询”，注册账户，然后填写信息，提交问题。

最近编辑记录 gjc2010gys (2023-02-10 19:01:48)

Mitko · 2023-02-11 21:10:43

@gjc2010gys, 感谢您的链接和建议。我无法打电话给中国海关，因为我不会说中文。我在向中国海关投诉时也遇到了问题，因为他们需要在中国的电话号码和地址。但我的包裹又被退回了：

EMS courier. Tracing Number: EV031050934CN

Destination - Sync Time: 2023-02-11 13:11:15 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-11 05:40 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Send item abroad (EDI-received)
2023-02-10 01:23 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Insert item into bag (Otb) and Send item abroad
2023-02-09 23:55 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Receive item at office of exchange (Otb)
2023-02-09 15:24 CHINA, 102209, Receive item from customer (Otb)

Origin - Sync Time: 2023-02-11 13:11:13 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-11 18:40 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】退回，备注：退回
2023-02-11 10:30 北京市, 离开【北京航空邮件国际交换站】，下一站【北京望京国际互换局】
2023-02-10 21:09 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2023-02-10 14:27 北京市, 退回
2023-02-10 03:14 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2023-02-10 01:23 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2023-02-09 21:58 北京市, 到达【北京航邮航站运输车间】
2023-02-09 20:21 北京市, 离开【上地电商营销中心】，下一站【北京】
2023-02-09 15:24 北京市, 【上地电商营销中心】已收寄，揽投员：孟超，电话：13910264320

gjc2010gys · 2023-02-13 13:36:58

@Mitko
你的包裹里有什么东西？我咨询了快递公司，他们回答说你的包裹里有东西不能通过安检。
http://gdfs.customs.gov.cn/customs/index/index.html 这是中国海关的网址，你可以再试试找他们。

Mitko · 2023-02-13 21:45:25

@gjc2010gys

该软件包没有任何问题。主要是电子产品 – 电阻器、电容器、集成电路、一些 FPGA、SoC – Allwinner T113、电路板......还有一些3D打印机部件 - 车轮，轴承以及他们可能认为有问题的东西 - 很少有步进电机。但是这些电机的磁铁非常小，我真的怀疑它们是否会带来任何安全问题。事实上，几个月前，我购买了相对较小的 BLDC 电机——运输公司拒绝发货。我不得不退回并从速卖通购买。

gjc2010gys · 2023-02-14 12:30:57

@Mitko
https://world.taobao.com/helper/knowledge.htm?kid=13440942 这是淘宝的禁止出口产品列表，你可以向淘宝的客服和EMS客服询问关于你的包裹问题。如果仍然无效，尝试让你的商家使用其他国际快递公司，如顺丰国际，Fedex,DHL等快递公司。

double33 · 2023-02-14 16:57:00

为啥一个洋人的一点屁事天天在这没完没了，快递的问题就去问快递公司和海关，在这占用公共资源干嘛？关键这人素质低还招人烦。

Mitko · 2023-02-14 20:25:40

@double33 无意侮辱你，但你的评论只是表明中国有些人没有受过教育。我真的怀疑这个网站是一个公共资源。它由某些个人拥有。如果我错了，请纠正我。如果您不喜欢，请不要阅读这些主题。

最近编辑记录 Mitko (2023-02-14 21:07:11)

gjc2010gys · 2023-02-14 22:39:27

@Mitko
https://world.taobao.com/helper/knowledge.htm?kid=13440942 这是淘宝的禁止出口产品列表，你可以向淘宝的客服和EMS客服询问关于你的包裹问题。如果仍然无效，尝试让你的商家使用其他国际快递公司，如顺丰国际，Fedex,DHL等快递公司。

Mitko · 2023-02-14 23:08:59

@gjc2010gys 以下列表没有步进或 BLDC 电机，出口此类项目应该不是问题。一些淘宝卖家过去曾经向国外发货。但目前没有人同意。这不是快递公司的问题，而不是一些误导的中国海关政策。联邦快递，DHL是极其昂贵的公司，因此使用中国产品值得怀疑。例如。我以 123.39 美元的价格购买了 Hantek 6074BC 示波器，如果我必须支付 100-200 美元的运费，我可以在欧洲购买使用泰克 4 通道 TDS224 的价格，价格约为 220 美元。集成电路也是如此。USB 3.0接口CH569的成本约为5.40美元，FTDI FT60xQ-B – 8.40美元。考虑到我在大约 4 个月前支付了第一个包裹，但仍然没有收到，我真的怀疑是否会从中国订购任何东西。

gjc2010gys · 2023-02-15 12:28:33

@Mitko
我查询了淘宝的禁止出口产品列表，上面显示中国似乎禁止任何带磁物品，很抱歉。

Mitko · 2023-02-16 14:10:23

包裹再次退回。它有 2 个标准 Nema17 电机，覆盖有金属。它们不能提供任何电磁干扰，到处都有销售。这是中国人的一些愚蠢行为。

EV031233420CN

Destination - Sync Time: 2023-02-16 07:53:47 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-17 05:40 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Send item abroad (EDI-received)
2023-02-15 00:02 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Insert item into bag (Otb) and Send item abroad
2023-02-14 23:39 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Receive item at office of exchange (Otb)
2023-02-14 15:33 CHINA, 102209, Receive item from customer (Otb)

Origin - Sync Time: 2023-02-16 07:53:45 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-15 22:05 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2023-02-15 15:14 北京市, 退回
2023-02-15 02:39 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2023-02-15 01:37 北京市, 离开【北京望京国际互换局】，下一站【北京航空邮件国际交换站】
2023-02-15 00:02 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2023-02-14 20:23 北京市, 到达【北京航邮航站运输车间】
2023-02-14 20:07 北京市, 离开【上地电商营销中心】，下一站【北京】
2023-02-14 15:33 北京市, 【上地电商营销中心】已收寄，揽投员：孟超，电话：13910264320

Nema17a Nema17a

double33 · 2023-02-17 09:48:35

洋大人发怒了，欧洲人的看门狗开始狂吠了，软膝慕洋犬要来了。

mysteryli · 2023-02-17 10:22:40

如果在中国购物给了你不好的体验，你可以避免在中国购物，也许在美国或者你本地购物你会有更好的体验。
拜拜。

bigbigcong · 2023-02-17 11:46:06

我服了，这个讨论技术的帖子，最后演变成了吵架，也是令人无语的

Mitko · 2023-02-17 13:47:52

@mysteryli

我与DigiKey等一些美国分销商有问题。他们宣传免税送货到保加利亚，但当包裹到达时，运输公司 UPS 会收取费用和税款。我不得不说，来自美国的包裹到达得更快。组件价格较高，但考虑到在中国我支付许多交易，运输和海关费用，它变得相对相同。我已经在中国购买的一些由中国公司制造的组件，如Anlogic FPGA，Allwinner产品等将没有用处，这是损失。

@bigbigcong

你是对的。不幸的是，从中国运输产品的问题来自多年。我已经联系了多个欧洲和中国当局 - 没有采取适当的措施。事实上，在欧洲，有人说，这是保护美国企业的唯一途径。但是中美关系我应该关心什么呢？我每次购买都要向淘宝支付3%的交易费，除此之外，最近淘宝将交易货币改为美元，所以我也必须支付货币汇率。包裹延迟了几个月，在某些情况下甚至没有收到......争吵，不得不说我与中国的交往即将结束。

Mitko · 2023-02-28 00:30:48

Returned … again

EV031589220CN

Destination - Sync Time: 2023-02-27 18:24:30 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-27 05:40 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Send item abroad (EDI-received)
2023-02-26 00:29 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Insert item into bag (Otb) and Send item abroad
2023-02-25 23:44 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Receive item at office of exchange (Otb)
2023-02-25 19:50 CHINA, 100032, Receive item from customer (Otb)

Origin - Sync Time: 2023-02-27 18:24:28 (GMT+02:00)
2023-02-27 20:21 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】退回，备注：安检退回
2023-02-27 12:35 北京市, 离开【北京航空邮件国际交换站】，下一站【北京望京国际互换局】
2023-02-26 21:22 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2023-02-26 16:56 北京市, 退回
2023-02-26 02:22 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2023-02-26 00:29 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2023-02-25 22:15 北京市, 到达【北京新顺处理中心】
2023-02-25 20:29 北京市, 离开【安定门商企中心】，下一站【北京】
2023-02-25 19:50 北京市, 【安定门商企中心】已收寄，揽投员：李春霞
2023-02-25 19:50 北京市, 【安定门商企中心】已收寄，揽投员：李春霞

Mitko · 2023-03-07 15:48:55

After nearly 6 months I have received one package. Sorry to say, but some components were damaged, other missing. The Taobao sellers did not agree on refund or to compensate me, since lots of time has passed. All purchases become extremely expensive, some were not need it anymore. For example, a damaged stepper motor (deformed shaft) presented bellow cost in China ¥11.80. However when I payed all the fees, taxes, transportation ... the prices raised more than 3 times to ¥37.34. Absolutely horrible experience.

Motor

最近编辑记录 Mitko (2023-03-07 16:32:52)

Mitko · 2023-03-13 23:05:09

Returned … again

EV032380835CN

Destination - Sync Time: 2023-03-13 15:44:48 (GMT+02:00)
2023-03-13 05:40 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Send item abroad (EDI-received)
2023-03-11 23:52 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Insert item into bag (Otb) and Send item abroad
2023-03-11 23:32 CHINA, BEIJING EMS, Receive item at office of exchange (Otb)
2023-03-11 19:16 CHINA, 100032, Receive item from customer (Otb)

Origin - Sync Time: 2023-03-13 15:44:45 (GMT+02:00)
2023-03-13 13:54 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】退回，备注：安检退回
2023-03-12 23:06 北京市, 离开【北京航空邮件国际交换站】，下一站【北京望京国际互换局】
2023-03-12 21:47 北京市, 【北京航空邮件国际交换站】退回
2023-03-12 15:18 北京市, 退回
2023-03-12 03:08 北京市, 已交承运商运输
2023-03-11 23:52 北京市, 【北京望京国际互换局】已出口直封
2023-03-11 22:08 北京市, 到达【北京新顺处理中心】
2023-03-11 20:29 北京市, 离开【安定门商企中心】，下一站【北京】
2023-03-11 19:16 北京市, 【安定门商企中心】已收寄，揽投员：李春霞

Mitko · 2023-03-22 15:57:55

我今天收到了我的一个包裹。产品重量为70克，运输公司使用了一个重量为83克的盒子。盒子内部似乎有没有用的部件，只是增加了重量。请注意，最初 YoyBuy 希望将这些产品与一盒总重量 - 350 克一起运送。

问题是我告诉这家公司很多次不要使用这么重的盒子，但他们仍在继续。运往欧洲真的非常昂贵。

Products

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Timaker · 2023-03-22 16:16:11

滚蛋吧，这里不欢迎你

Mitko · 2023-03-22 17:23:00

@Timaker

你是谁来决定欢迎或不欢迎某人的地方？解决运输公司的问题，直到那时关于这些问题的帖子将继续。

Timaker · 2023-03-22 18:22:42

我是谁你管不着，这里不欢迎你这种白皮猪，要点脸就自己滚出去

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